Reply to: It’s official - we are leaving the customs union.

[darmstadt]

Marcus Fysh (Winchester College and Corpus Christi College, Oxford) has been Tory MP for Yeovil since 2015. He is firmly in favour of Britain leaving the EU. His example of how frictionless and trouble free trade can be outside such an arrangement is the border between the USA and Canada. This he claims to have seen for himself:

“Visited this week. V efficient border: only 3% of trucks are pulled aside of which 99% just x-rayed further, adding 5-10 mins to the v short normal clearance time. Need for ‘hard’ border gateways on the border itself is driven by immigration ie people movement controls”.

Someone took exception to the 3% of trucks claim:











And the last word goes to someone who has to work on trade:

[Mordac]

Yeah. Wrong context.

Now had he said "Arsenal are now effectively out of the running for a CL spot this season", then that would have been more correct.

HTH

Thanks Shaun, I really needed that...

[shaunbhoy]

Not sure I agree with the use of the word "effectively".

Yeah. Wrong context.

Now had he said "Arsenal are now effectively out of the running for a CL spot this season", then that would have been more correct.

HTH

[Mordac]

The UK government is clearly now in disarray and is effectively being governed by the EU.

EU lays down the condition that Northern Ireland is to stay in the single market

UK ministers are too incompetent to run their own affairs, so it's good to see the EU stepping into the breach.

Not sure I agree with the use of the word "effectively".

[darmstadt]

Brexit means Brexit doesn’t it? Are we leaving, or what?

“To coin a phrase, they are going to tell the world that Brexit does not mean Brexit”

“It is not great for our credibility as a reliable negotiation partner”

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...od_-_CLEAN.pdf

What was the ******* point, please explain?

[BlasterBates]

The UK government is clearly now in disarray and is effectively being governed by the EU.

EU lays down the condition that Northern Ireland is to stay in the single market

UK ministers are too incompetent to run their own affairs, so it's good to see the EU stepping into the breach.

[WTFH]

Oh yes - lets get us a leader who wants to go against the wishes of the majority of the electorate - he could be the next Stalin or Mao - problem is the UK just does not have enough people to murder in cold blood to get him on that leaderboard though.

The 52% who voted didn't agree on what they wanted. Most of them are still clueless and will only say what it is they don't want.
The government doesn't know what it wants.
The UK negotiators don't know what they want.

Having a politician who says what they want is refreshing at this time of clueless confusion by the government, the Leave supporting media and their believers.

[original PM]

Secret memo raises questions as to whether Jeremy Corbyn is a quisling

Things could heat up in parliament if these malicious rumours are true.

Oh yes - lets get us a leader who wants to go against the wishes of the majority of the electorate - he could be the next Stalin or Mao - problem is the UK just does not have enough people to murder in cold blood to get him on that leaderboard though.

[BlasterBates]

Secret memo raises questions as to whether Jeremy Corbyn is a quisling

Things could heat up in parliament if these malicious rumours are true.

[meridian]

Brexit means Brexit doesn’t it? Are we leaving, or what?

[darmstadt]

Both tariff and non-tariff barriers.

May has already stated that we will not be in a/the customs union, but car parts rely on easy to-and-fro between EU countries (including the U.K.). Paperwork, eligibility of road hauliers to drive in either state, time spent at Customs, etc. There are also additional complications like Rules of Origin that need to be worked through - cars manufactured in the U.K. may no longer be eligible for shipping to other countries under existing agreements even if those agreements are rolled over.

As Honda pointed out in a report:

Presenting the industry’s most detailed evidence yet to the business select committee, Honda UK said it relied on 350 trucks a day arriving from Europe to keep its giant Swindon factory operating, with just an hour’s worth of parts being held on the production line.

The Japanese-owned company said it would take 18 months to set up new procedures and warehouses if Britain left the customs union but that, with 2m daily component movements, even minor delays at Dover and the Channel tunnel would force hundreds of its trucks to wait for the equivalent of 90 hours a day.
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Aston Martin also feared a “semi-catastrophic” end to EU recognition of UK regulatory approval, something Keating revealed Brussels was now threatening in the event of a “no-deal” Brexit.

Honda pointed to a recent study suggesting the cost of converting an EU car to match US standards is equivalent to another 26% tariff increase.
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The industry also fears the impact of new immigration rules for EU nationals. Already 14% of Honda’s 3,500 to 4,000-strong Swindon workforce are from other EU countries, but this is growing fast: of the 600 extra workers hired to build new Civic model last year, 40% were EU workers, as are 30% of the staff at the company’s European HQ in Bracknell.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...tificate-limbo

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN1D923F

[BlasterBates]

Fine let them go.

Indeed, they have plenty of spare manufacturing capacity in Spain and France.

[meridian]

Fine let them go.

Is it just that they no longer have access to the European Market with reduced tariffs? is that the only problem in which case we shall have to see how the negotiations go.

Both tariff and non-tariff barriers.

May has already stated that we will not be in a/the customs union, but car parts rely on easy to-and-fro between EU countries (including the U.K.). Paperwork, eligibility of road hauliers to drive in either state, time spent at Customs, etc. There are also additional complications like Rules of Origin that need to be worked through - cars manufactured in the U.K. may no longer be eligible for shipping to other countries under existing agreements even if those agreements are rolled over.

[original PM]

Good for you, throw them out, bloody traitors...just a couple of things:



Actually you'll find that there are already a number of Asian car manufacturers in France and Germany. Lets see, both Kia and Hyundai have their European HQs and factories on the mainland, Kia in Slovenia and Germany, Hyundai in Czech Republic nd Germany. There's a lot more out there that you don't know about:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...6374999907&z=6 (a bit out of date)

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota...ABn_Automobile

Don't the "old 'cold war' Eastern European" countries already provide the infrastructure to keep the UK going? Now if these Japanese guys decide to bugger off, they have a willing workforce returning to where they could build their factories. Actually you might want to look at the success of Dacia...



I think they were offered lots of nice tax subsidies to open factories in areas that had high unemployment caused by successive white collar orientated governments, much like what might happen again (only this time the subsidies are going to have to be a heck of a lot more)

A well thought out response.

Lets see what actually happens now!

[PurpleGorilla]

Interesting - because that graph is clearly try to make out that the North East well have it's GDP reduced by 16% in a WTO deal.

So when something has to effectively lie to try and make it's point it has failed.

:sigh: