Reply to: Hammond in davos

[BlasterBates]

Oh ok - i thought Trump was a loser and was killing off the US? - Or is that also not true?

Trump hasn't had time to mess things up.

The fact that he's an incompetent pillock doesn't change the fact that the US is governed mainly by a fairly sensible Congress that ignores him most of the time.

Pillocks don't necessarily cause economic damage think of it like a monkey making random decisions.

[original PM]

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...-growth-annual



Growth in Germany and the US is about 3%.

If you look at the graph UK growth is declining as the rest of the world booms and the UK hasn't even left the EU. The next recession isn't far away and then the UK is in deep trouble.

Oh ok - i thought Trump was a loser and was killing off the US? - Or is that also not true?

[BlasterBates]

Yes yes of course the UK is falling apart and we will all be reduced to selling our arse's on the street to foreigners to feed our children.

When we voted to leave in June 2016 the Uk stock market was going to crash - it didn't

The Uk was supposed to be in a recession right now - it's not

Sterling is now rallying against both dollar and euro - that's not supposed to happen

So we have a PM who is not a great public orator - it would seem that some countries have incredible rude and childish leaders who walk out halfway through someone's speech.

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...-growth-annual

The British economy expanded by 1.5 percent year-on-year in the fourth quarter of 2017

Growth in Germany and the US is about 3%.

If you look at the graph UK growth is declining as the rest of the world booms and the UK hasn't even left the EU. The next recession isn't far away and then the UK is in deep trouble.

[original PM]

Yes yes of course the UK is falling apart and we will all be reduced to selling our arse's on the street to foreigners to feed our children.

When we voted to leave in June 2016 the Uk stock market was going to crash - it didn't

The Uk was supposed to be in a recession right now - it's not

Sterling is now rallying against both dollar and euro - that's not supposed to happen

So we have a PM who is not a great public orator - it would seem that some countries have incredible rude and childish leaders who walk out halfway through someone's speech.

[BlasterBates]

Look at the source and look at the author.

News story, Prime Minster gives speech and is applauded.

Eshe Nelson is a doom merchant, her articles and tweets tend to be all doom and gloom about the us and uk.

Though for some strange reason she seems to write only positive stuff about Macron. Mmm strange.

When one person says the speech was dreadful then sure yeah, you can dismiss it as an outlier.

May's speech ghastly

[darmstadt]

Look at the source and look at the author.

News story, Prime Minster gives speech and is applauded.

Eshe Nelson is a doom merchant, her articles and tweets tend to be all doom and gloom about the us and uk.

Though for some strange reason she seems to write only positive stuff about Macron. Mmm strange.

Well we could always go to a Tory newspaper:

Is Theresa May actually incapable of making a meaningful speech?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/542434...-donald-trump/

Brexiters, Trump supporters, the right wing populists across the world all voted for these people as an act against the global elite, yet aren't these actually the global elite?

[woohoo]

Davos always makes me think of Davros

I have the exact opposite problem.

[ladymuck]

Davos always makes me think of Davros

[woohoo]

Look at the source and look at the author.

News story, Prime Minster gives speech and is applauded.

Eshe Nelson is a doom merchant, her articles and tweets tend to be all doom and gloom about the us and uk.

Though for some strange reason she seems to write only positive stuff about Macron. Mmm strange.

[darmstadt]

Apparently hardly anyone turned up to May's presentation about Britain being open for business.

https://qz.com/1189313/davos-2018-in...ioning-brexit/

It was biggest audience for the most important presentation. Everyone was there, you're all liars, the photo is faked and the press are just reporting fake news...

[BlasterBates]

Apparently hardly anyone turned up to May's presentation about Britain being open for business.

https://qz.com/1189313/davos-2018-in...ioning-brexit/

A noticeable number of the audience started drifting out of the hall before the end. Global leaders like Canada’s Justin Trudeau and France’s Emmanuel Macron had used their stage time to give spirited rebuttals to protectionism and isolationism, and were greeted with rapturous applause. Macron even got a standing ovation. May’s speech was simply met with polite applause.

[tarbera]

What the everyone else thinks of the uk summed up nicely

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/2...european-union

[NotAllThere]

Leave the EU. You have to leave the custom union and the single market. A pillar of the single market is freedom of movement.

• Your proposition: Leaving the EU entails leaving the customs union and the single market, and giving up freedom of movement.
• Norway is in the customs union and the single market and has freedom of movement, but isn't in the EU.
• Ergo your proposition isn't correct. Leaving the EU does not entail leaving the customs union and the single market and giving up freedom of movement.

I think the issue is that you look at the phrase "leaving the EU", and to you that means "leaving the customs union and the single market, and giving up freedom of movement.", but that's just one possible meaning. Another possible meaning would be "withdrawing from membership of the EU and switching to the Norwegian model".

The things is, no politician appears to have stated in clear terms what leaving the EU will entail. I think this quite deliberate on their part. I also think that the end result will disappoing many Brexiters, because they won't be getting what they thought they were.

[northernladyuk]

I think it was pretty clear.

Leave the EU. You have to leave the custom union and the single market. A pillar of the single market is freedom of movement.

I really can't see the confusion.

You are confused. You don't have to leave the customs union and the single market on leaving the EU. Why do you think otherwise?

[woohoo]

Nothing to do with the voting model, I simply quoted exactly what you said about leaving the EU requiring that we also leave the single market, and pointed out an exact instance where that is incorrect.

Sorry that you can’t deal with those facts.

Silly billy.