Reply to: Britain will lose landing rights in EU

[meridian]

Following on from chopper’s post above, a separate detailed analysis:

https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...exit-explained

[m0n1k3r]

There's lots of the rest of the world and we'll be better off simply getting back to our world outlook rather than being a lackey of the corrupt and introverted EU

Don't give the EU too much credit. This is one area where we are greatly superior to the EU. We created corruption and brought it to other countries as part of liberating them. We are still the leaders.

Theresa May refuses to deny Rupert Murdoch's involvement in Michael Gove’s cabinet return

[AtW]

It affects all flights, including cargo, private and even the RAF planes carrying Dr Fox to all those trade deal meetings.

[m0n1k3r]

Private jets will still be ok. Everybody else won't be able to afford flying anyway...

It affects all flights, including cargo, private and even the RAF planes carrying Dr Fox to all those trade deal meetings.

[m0n1k3r]

You sure? Theresa May Criticised For Partying With Daily Mail's Paul Dacre Amid Government Turmoil

Murdoch is the Chief Executive. Theresa May had private meeting with Rupert Murdoch

[darmstadt]

you know the Daily Mail isn't the state don't you?

You sure? Theresa May Criticised For Partying With Daily Mail's Paul Dacre Amid Government Turmoil

Margaret Thatcher’s press secretary advised the then prime minister that her first media priority for the 1987 general election campaign was to “look after the Daily Mail”, the latest release of her private papers show.
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In a note to the prime minister on “how to play the media over the next couple of weeks” before the campaign, he wrote: “You need to look after the Daily Mail (David English wants to interview you – and would like to be first to do so after you have declared an election).” English was the paper’s editor at the time.

[BrilloPad]

Orwell predicted Brexit.

Mother Shipton precicted you.

"And a vile troll shall bring cretinism to all corners of the CUK forum until admin bans the moronic twit"

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[vetran]

Orwell predicted Brexit.

you know the Daily Mail isn't the state don't you?

[NotAllThere]

I say go for it, it won't just hurt the UK but the EU too. Brits spend far too much money holidaying in Europe let's see how their economies fair without it.

Yes, it will hurt both. The UK more than EU. So hopefully there will be some kind of deal.

Oh ffs not this crap again. So you don't think any UK airlines will be allowed to fly into the EU? ...

If there is no deal, this is exactly what will happen. That's why there will be efforts to have some kind of deal.

Edit: see Chopper's analysis if you don't understand.

[AtW]

I absolutely hope we're not heading towards Ultra hard Brexit, but it is pure fantasy to think it will be business as usual once we're out of the customs union and the single market.

We sure as hell heading towards it - this is what Tory Brexiting Scum want: it's their only way to reduce chance of rolling Brexit back, so it's going to be ultra hardcore one to teach most people in this country a lesson...

[chopper]

USA is art of the Open Skies agreement with the EU. "no deal" means no flights to the US either.

Some people struggle with this very basic concept, unfortunately.

Lots of airlines from outside the EU fly into the EU, but they do so by way of a bilateral aviation treaty either between the EU and the third country (e.g. USA), or between individual member states and the third country. (there is no EU to India aviation agreement, but there is a UK to India agreement).

If we leave the EU and drop out of the ECAA (by not accepting EASA as regulatory body, and jurisdiction of ECJ over aviation matters) then there will no longer be a right for:

a) UK airlines to fly from UK to EU
b) UK airlines to fly between two EU countries, e.g. France to Germany
c) UK airlines to fly a domestic sector within another EU country, e.g. within France.
d) EU airlines to fly to the UK
e) UK airlines to fly to third countries covered by ECAA, e.g. Morocco, USA, Jordan... 44 countries I think
f) UK airlines to fly from an EU country to the USA (e.g. 'Openskies' from Paris to New York).

a and b will probably be the most simple to overcome, that would hurt EU airlines a little. I imagine there will be an Open Skies treaty between the UK and the EU. But you know what - that's a 'deal'. If May and co walk off in a huff and we don't get a deal, then on Brexit day 1, there will be a lot of grounded planes.

We'll never get b,c or f without being in ECAA, and we'd need to negotiate new deals for e for UK to USA flights to resume. You'd think that would be trivial, but as recently as 10 years ago the UK was unable to liberalise the UK to USA market. It took the EU to liberalise that. The one thing you can bank on the USA is a UK-US air agreement which benefits US airlines a hell of a lot more than UK airlines.

easyJet are having to open an Austrian subsidiary company to keep flying EU flights after Brexit, and that has meant jobs, profits and taxes now go to Austria, and not to the UK.

And this is the rub. Brexiters who "don't care about the greedy bankers and greedy corporates" forget that said greedy bankers and corporates in the UK pay tax. But they wont be doing after Brexit, because they won't be able to.

I absolutely hope we're not heading towards Ultra hard Brexit, but it is pure fantasy to think it will be business as usual once we're out of the customs union and the single market.

[northernladyuk]

Europe’s “fully liberalised” aviation market so that's why the want to restrict stuff to just the EU as an introverted entity

Lot's of people around the world work in Europe, lots of none EU airlines fly into and out of EU countries. The EU isn't Europe just a tin pot wannabe federal republic, George Orwell predicted it

There's lots of the rest of the world and we'll be better off simply getting back to our world outlook rather than being a lackey of the corrupt and introverted EU

Orwell predicted Brexit.

[AtW]

He's scared of them stealing his gold bars

FTFY

[SueEllen]

Why do you care about less poor chavs in Europe, ain't you going to live in lovely Swindon for the rest of your days?

He's scared of them moving around the country rioting.

[AtW]

Sounds good. Very limited flights to Europe, will boost the UK (less people travelling so spending here instead of there). Others will travel further afield (e.g. USA). And for the rest of us, less poor chavs in Europe.

Why do you care about less poor chavs in Europe, ain't you going to live in lovely Swindon for the rest of your days?