'Chaos in the Conservative Government'

[BlasterBates]

May grovelling in Brussels today promising a further 20 billion

May to increase the UK's offer to the EU

EU will simply bank any new promise from May and then demand more, without agreeing to move talks on to the trade deal that the U.K. wants, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Absolutely, the final bill will be closer to 60 billion and then a further 28 billion for the transition deal.

The general view in Europe is that Brexit is the gift that keeps on giving.

[northernladyuk]

Nah, you're alright. I'm now certain you misread it.

The study is statistically INsignificant (i.e. not causal), due to the reasons I posted (please note, the figure of 0.03% is not a 'P' value).
I then told you NOT to ascribe causation from the study.

Now, if you need a little time to re-read my posts, go ahead - I'll wait

I'm going to help you here. Statistical significance would suggest correlation, but not necessarily correlation. So 'i.e. not causal' doesn't really make sense.

Now you need to think about the role of % in determining statistical significance in the sample and population sizes described. Come back and tell us what the statistical significance is (in whatever way you wish to express it).

[Bean]

I'm happy to give you a bit longer to work it out for yourself, but if you need a hint, let me know.

Nah, you're alright. I'm now certain you misread it.

The study is statistically INsignificant (i.e. not causal), due to the reasons I posted (please note, the figure of 0.03% is not a 'P' value).
I then told you NOT to ascribe causation from the study.

Now, if you need a little time to re-read my posts, go ahead - I'll wait

[northernladyuk]

I think you misread my post.

I've replied anyhow, and i'd miscalculated - it was 0.03%, not 0.06% representative

I'm happy to give you a bit longer to work it out for yourself, but if you need a hint, let me know.

[Bean]

I was waiting for you to come back with an understanding of how you got things wrong around statistical significance and causation. I'm going to give you a few more days.

I think you misread my post.

I've replied anyhow, and i'd miscalculated - it was 0.03%, not 0.06% representative

[northernladyuk]

What happened in the other thread, the last time you tried to source evidence for that claim?
(0.06% indeed )

Perhaps try not calling others thick for a while?

I was waiting for you to come back with an understanding of how you got things wrong around statistical significance and causation. I'm going to give you a few more days.

[Bean]

It would sideline the hard line Brexiteer head bangers. It's the only way now. Unfortunately after 52% of the electorate has turned out to be ******* stupid, it's time to look ah the least bad option.

What happened in the other thread, the last time you tried to source evidence for that claim?
(0.06% indeed )

Perhaps try not calling others thick for a while?

[NotAllThere]

I wish it was just 52%. It would be nice if there was some sort of test before being allowed to vote.

Maybe votes should be weighted per tax paid.....

No representation without taxation!

[BlasterBates]

Meanwhile the EU has a clear unambiguous strategy.

EU to offer sh*tty trade deal to the UK

Basically a trade deal which enables them to sell prosecco and BMW's to the UK for 0% tariffs whilst pinching all those lucrative financial services in return, and then sit back and watch the Tories tear themselves apart.

[BrilloPad]

It would sideline the hard line Brexiteer head bangers. It's the only way now. Unfortunately after 52% of the electorate has turned out to be ******* stupid, it's time to look ah the least bad option.

I wish it was just 52%. It would be nice if there was some sort of test before being allowed to vote.

Maybe votes should be weighted per tax paid.....

[northernladyuk]

So lets vote Labour instead. Oh wait.....

It would sideline the hard line Brexiteer head bangers. It's the only way now. Unfortunately after 52% of the electorate has turned out to be ******* stupid, it's time to look ah the least bad option.

[BrilloPad]

So lets vote Labour instead. Oh wait.....

[northernladyuk]

The strong and stable leadership appears to be going well. At least other countries are starting to pity the UK. Maybe they'll start pulling together an aid package. Once the bar bill is settled, of course.

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2017/...xit-embassies/

An internal report by the Department of Foreign Affairs, based on an extensive round of meetings between senior Irish diplomatic figures and European government officials, has painted a negative and deeply unflattering picture of Britain's performance in the Brexit negotiations.

The confidential report, seen by RTÉ News, quotes senior EU figures as being alarmed by "chaos in the Conservative government", with British ministers and civil servants unable to agree a coherent policy on Brexit.

The report says there are significant concerns across European capitals that it will be difficult to break the deadlock in the negotiations ahead of the December summit.

The paper is a digest of a series of political reports filed by Irish embassies across the EU back to the Department of Foreign Affairs in Dublin.

They were drawn up in early November and reflected detailed accounts of meetings between Irish diplomatic staff and ministers and officials in ten EU member states.

While some member states had their own particular concerns over Brexit, the overall picture is one of dismay in European capitals at what is seen as chaos in the Conservative government.

French officials described a dinner between David Davis, the Brexit Secretary, and the French Defence and European Affairs ministers in Paris on 23 October.

Despite having flagged up the meeting to the media in advance as an attempt to unblock French resistance to Britain moving into trade negotiations, Mr Davis barely mentioned Brexit according to French officials.

A Czech minister said he felt sorry for British ambassadors trying to communicate a coherent message across the EU on Brexit when there was "political confusion at home".

Most damning of all were the reported comments of Britain's judge at the European Court of Justice Ian Forrester as he bemoaned the quality of politicians at Westminster.

He said that despite considerable contact between himself and London, only one person he had spoken to had any real grasp of the complexities involved.

He even wondered if it might dawn on people what leaving the EU actually entailed and there might be a slow realisation that this was just a great mistake.