Reply to: New PCG IR35 Questionnaire

[malvolio]

Thanks.

(And don't ban TDD!)

As I was about to say...

Digging back through Crawford Temple's article to the BIS to the Treasury, this is all about simplifying reporting for small businesses. The idea is that many very small busineses incorporated to take advantage of the short-lived 10% CT rate and are finding it hard to disincoporate, so are carrying an administrative burden they don't really deserve. The BIS idea is to minimise the reporting they have to do, so reducing their overheads and, hopefully, removing their need for accoutnancy support and the associated costs. The barrier was set originally at £32k turnover, later upped to £74k, which is the VAT threshold and thought by many to be inappropriately high. that debate is still running. It's not in Budget 2012 and possibly unlikely to make Budget 2013.

However, it's about reporting and audit requirements and nothing to do with taxation, personal or corporate.

[cojak]

Probably not. The pension liabilities alone would be enormous. Plus they would no doubt have to backdate them. I suspect this will be quietly dropped when someone at the Treasury works out the real figures.

WSS.

They also had this on Newsnight. After much huffing and puffing all windbags explicitly excluded IT technical specialists in their deliberations.

[swamp]

Is there no one in government that can draw a line of correlation between the process making of civil serpents legit and the massive increase in budgets that it will cause in wage bills...

Probably not. The pension liabilities alone would be enormous. Plus they would no doubt have to backdate them. I suspect this will be quietly dropped when someone at the Treasury works out the real figures.

[bobspud]

Is there no one in government that can draw a line of correlation between the process making of civil serpents legit and the massive increase in budgets that it will cause in wage bills...

[bless 'em all]

Holy cow!

Departmental "board members and senior officials" should be compelled to become staff, he argues, as should anyone engaged for more than six months on more than £220 a day.

In other words Mr Alexander wants to end contracting in the public sector.

Insert <agency> here. The problem disappears in a puff of statistics. Do you really think anything will actually be done?

[scooby]

Holy cow!

Departmental "board members and senior officials" should be compelled to become staff, he argues, as should anyone engaged for more than six months on more than £220 a day.

In other words Mr Alexander wants to end contracting in the public sector.

And what happens when none of those on over £220 per day take up the offer of perm employment as it is not worth, and they then lose all of those skilled people to over sectors?

[cojak]

Holy cow!

Departmental "board members and senior officials" should be compelled to become staff, he argues, as should anyone engaged for more than six months on more than £220 a day.

In other words Mr Alexander wants to end contracting in the public sector.

Let's see how far he gets with that. It been my experience that in the harsh light of day (when they realise that they need good people who will get in before 9.30 and won't bunk off at 3.30pm) this diktat will be quietly pushed to one side.

[swamp]

Interesting...

BBC News - Civil service tax loopholes: Thousands on special contracts

Holy cow!

Departmental "board members and senior officials" should be compelled to become staff, he argues, as should anyone engaged for more than six months on more than £220 a day.

In other words Mr Alexander wants to end contracting in the public sector.

[jamesbrown]

Interesting...

BBC News - Civil service tax loopholes: Thousands on special contracts

[amcdonald]

And so it should be. EE NI / Sch D NI is effectively income tax these days - it was intended to be levied on working people's income, therefore when working people use dividends to avoid it, that is unreasonable in a social sense. My opinion has been, for some years now, that campaigning to have the outcome of an IR35 assessment include self-employment and therefore the associated Sch D taxes (while operating through a Ltd Co and being able to retain profits etc) is the way to get to where freelancers need to be.

Unfortunately, we don't have a representative body that understands this.

They could merge NI into income tax, then they'd have no point in pursuing IR35

But they don't dare because then the norms would realise how much tax they pay

It's all about taxing dividends from working people who can't fight back, otherwise they'd be going after the Philip Greens of this world as well

[cojak]

And before anyone starts whinging, I've smacked Mal too.

Never say I'm not even-handed*




*well you can, but then see where it gets you...

[cojak]

In case it slipped your attention, "Mal" is the one consistently poking sticks through the bars. I am stating a logical position that happens to be contrary to the PCG's position and Mal is repeatedly responding with insults, here is a small selection just from what I can see on this page:

Mal: "I think you're either a troll or a fantasist. Further discussion is clearly futile."
Mal: "Until then, stop talking bollocks."

Which makes me wonder why "Mal" isn't being warned in any way? Any responses from me are extremely mild by comparison. Perhaps you could list exactly which of my words you have a problem with?

I'm not going to have a conversation on this.

This isn't the PCG or Shout99, play by our rules or not - the choice is yours...

[TaxedToDeath]

Really? I'm amazed

For bickering in a professional forum with Mal.

In case it slipped your attention, "Mal" is the one consistently poking sticks through the bars. I am stating a logical position that happens to be contrary to the PCG's position and Mal is repeatedly responding with insults, here is a small selection just from what I can see on this page:

Mal: "I think you're either a troll or a fantasist. Further discussion is clearly futile."
Mal: "Until then, stop talking bollocks."

Which makes me wonder why "Mal" isn't being warned in any way? Any responses from me are extremely mild by comparison. Perhaps you could list exactly which of my words you have a problem with?

[swamp]

See this post by Crawford Temple.

Crawford is the proprietor of another freelancer-related site and was on the OTS IR35 forum.

Thanks.

(And don't ban TDD!)

[TaxedToDeath]

See this link

Do you have any info on this?

See this post by Crawford Temple.

Crawford is the proprietor of another freelancer-related site and was on the OTS IR35 forum.