Reply to: So, would I be inside IR35

[DiscoStu]

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[Willm]

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[DiscoStu]

"Knitting" was perhaps unkind, except that it does require the ability to keep doing a boring and repetetive action that nobody else can share or understand so that in time you can produce something that's almost not quite as good as the real thing.

[malvolio]

"Go back to your knitting or something..........."

Obviously implying that as a woman I am only capable of knitting socks not engaging in meaningful debate on serious issues.

All this demonstrates is that Malvolio can't handle an argument and has sidestepped every point in my last post. Mainly because he can't answer any of them or won't admit that I've made some valid points.

Wounded his ego, clearly!

Actually I have insufficient time to dig out the past posts that support my side of the argument, since that is the only way you'll listen.

"Knitting" was perhaps unkind, except that it does require the ability to keep doing a boring and repetetive action that nobody else can share or understand so that in time you can produce something that's almost not quite as good as the real thing.

[oracleslave]

"Go back to your knitting or something..........."

Ok I missed that bit.

[Denny]

"Go back to your knitting or something..........."

Obviously implying that as a woman I am only capable of knitting socks not engaging in meaningful debate on serious issues.

All this demonstrates is that Malvolio can't handle an argument and has sidestepped every point in my last post. Mainly because he can't answer any of them or won't admit that I've made some valid points.

Wounded his ego, clearly!

[oracleslave]

the usual sexist carp.

[Denny]

I note that none of the last few comments have been counterargued on any rational grounds nor my arguments disproved as nonsense. Only the usual snide personal remarks that comes from people who have nothing to say - punctuated by the usual sexist carp.

[Archangel]

<snip> another load of twadle <snip>

The terms Professional Contractors Group is also a misnomer. What is a Professional Contractor?


<snip> another load of twadle <snip>

Perhaps it is a Professional Group for contractors?

(is that a split infinitive?)

[NotAllThere]

Pot.. Kettle... BLACK!

It's ever so simple. If Denny can't understand something, it must be because either:

a) It's badly presented or b) It isn't worth understanding.

Option c) is just untenable.

[Ardesco]

So it's either dead and irrelevant or else it's 'alive' and not voluntary. It can't be 'not dead' but 'voluntary' as you claimed when you said: "I didn't say it was dead I said it was voluntary."

Back to the drawing board, Mal. You make no sense at all.

Pot.. Kettle... BLACK!

[malvolio]

That may be what its intentions are but that is not how it is perceived. Someone got booted off the PCG board, when I first joined under Suze, because he made some insulting remark that stated that the place has been hijacked by geeks' or something like that. It's all very well stating that membership can comprise all of these other groups but the PCG is associated with ir35 (which you've now acknowledged in this last post, but denied in the original one).

I think that speaks for itself.

Something I do know a lot about - professionally - is that perception is often a more important tool for defining what should comprise the content of official marketed communication than stated objectives independent of member perceptions.

Your positioning and stated aims for the PCG are very confusing. As, may I add, is your stance on whether ir35 is dead or not. You claimed in your past posts about this, in direct contradiction to me, that you had NOT claimed that ir35 tax was 'dead' but was 'voluntary.' Well, what is the difference? There is no difference. If the tax was dead then there would be no point is saying it is voluntary as there would be none to pay anyway voluntarily or otherwise. If it is 'alive' then it is certainly not 'voluntary.' Try telling the owners of Dragonfly that now that they've not been presented with a huge back tax bill of 99K. So it's either dead and irrelevant or else it's 'alive' and not voluntary. It can't be 'not dead' but 'voluntary' as you claimed when you said: "I didn't say it was dead I said it was voluntary."

Back to the drawing board, Mal. You make no sense at all.

Fine. It all falls down if the perception is wrong though, which yours is. None of the above is true, or even faintly accurate. Go back to your knitting or something, you're wasting everyone's time now.

[Denny]

I know what's it's about, I helped put it there. And it's a lot bigger than IR35.

I know who its membership is as well - roughly 50% IT, most of the rest in Engineering and O&G, and we're opening other areas all the time. Also, a good percentage of the membership are not OMBs in the sense you mean it. And I disagree with your interpretation of freelance - we use the original meaning of someone whose skills are for hire on the open market - and we prefer the term contractor anyway (hence PCG...), and we don't care what vehicle that person trades through - LtdCo, LLP, sole trader (ever hear of PCG Solo?), even companies up to 15 employees.

So go learn the correct facts, then apply your intellect, not the other way round.

That may be what its intentions are but that is not how it is perceived. Someone got booted off the PCG board, when I first joined under Suze, because he made some insulting remark that stated that the place has been hijacked by geeks' or something like that. It's all very well stating that membership can comprise all of these other groups but the PCG is associated with ir35 (which you've now acknowledged in this last post, but denied in the original one).

I think that speaks for itself.

Something I do know a lot about - professionally - is that perception is often a more important tool for defining what should comprise the content of official marketed communication than stated objectives independent of member perceptions.

Your positioning and stated aims for the PCG are very confusing. As, may I add, is your stance on whether ir35 is dead or not. You claimed in your past posts about this, in direct contradiction to me, that you had NOT claimed that ir35 tax was 'dead' but was 'voluntary.' Well, what is the difference? There is no difference. If the tax was dead then there would be no point is saying it is voluntary as there would be none to pay anyway voluntarily or otherwise. If it is 'alive' then it is certainly not 'voluntary.' Try telling the owners of Dragonfly that now that they've not been presented with a huge back tax bill of 99K. So it's either dead and irrelevant or else it's 'alive' and not voluntary. It can't be 'not dead' but 'voluntary' as you claimed when you said: "I didn't say it was dead I said it was voluntary."

Back to the drawing board, Mal. You make no sense at all.

[malvolio]

I know what's it's about, I helped put it there. And it's a lot bigger than IR35.

I know who its membership is as well - roughly 50% IT, most of the rest in Engineering and O&G, and we're opening other areas all the time. Also, a good percentage of the membership are not OMBs in the sense you mean it. And I disagree with your interpretation of freelance - we use the original meaning of someone whose skills are for hire on the open market - and we prefer the term contractor anyway (hence PCG...), and we don't care what vehicle that person trades through - LtdCo, LLP, sole trader (ever hear of PCG Solo?), even companies up to 15 employees.

So go learn the correct facts, then apply your intellect, not the other way round.

[Ardesco]

To promote the PCG as an organisation worth paying for because of the ir35 insurance 'as a no brainer' is surely fraudulent if you are now claiming that the organisation has no intention of associating itslef officially or not with this very important issue.

I can't be bothered to go through it all but Mal never said the PCG wasn't interested in IR35, he just said that IR35 is not its sole reason for being in existance any more.

I would take that to mean that it has grown and now wants to be involved in all aspects of a freelancing rather than a narrow focus on IR35. As the sole focus is not longer get rid of IR35 it is entirely reasonable that some members may feel that the IR35 fight is no longer worth the hassle, and they want to move onto other things instead. It is up to the other members to encourage them otherwise.