Reply to: Certify Documents against Originals

[Old Greg]

Ah yes (sic), I see what you mean. Sorry.

No problem.

[malvolio]

I was agreeing with you.

Unfortunately we lack the French language different terms for yes "si" (disagreeing with somebody's "no") and "oui" (agreeing with somebody even if they said "no" IIRC), so I can see that my "yep" was ambiguous.

Ah yes (sic), I see what you mean. Sorry.

[Old Greg]

They'll be the ones working out of Central government departments then. Not my definition but the official one from the CSI (no, not that CSI).

But if it makes you happy

I was agreeing with you.

Unfortunately we lack the French language different terms for yes "si" (disagreeing with somebody's "no") and "oui" (agreeing with somebody even if they said "no" IIRC), so I can see that my "yep" was ambiguous.

[malvolio]

Yep. Approx 8% of public sector employees are civil servants.

They'll be the ones working out of Central government departments then. Not my definition but the official one from the CSI (no, not that CSI).

But if it makes you happy

[jainnode]

Some people are no fun.

yeh, and they're all on here

[ladymuck]

Some people are no fun.

[Old Greg]

No.

Civil Servants are, by definition, permanently employed by the Crown: in practice they are ultimately working for a Minister of the Crown.

That excludes the Armed Forces, the Police, Local Authorities, the Health Service, Parliament and - perhaps a little counter-intuitively - the Monarch.

HTH...

Yep. Approx 8% of public sector employees are civil servants.

[malvolio]

Civil servant = employed by the council or gov't .. no?

State school with non outsourced catering = run by the council / gov't = civil servant. QED?

M

No.

Civil Servants are, by definition, permanently employed by the Crown: in practice they are ultimately working for a Minister of the Crown.

That excludes the Armed Forces, the Police, Local Authorities, the Health Service, Parliament and - perhaps a little counter-intuitively - the Monarch.

HTH...

[mjcp]

Dinner person at school is not a civil servant. But it is a broad list.

Civil servant = employed by the council or gov't .. no?

State school with non outsourced catering = run by the council / gov't = civil servant. QED?

M

[Old Greg]

Not exactly a restrictive list is it?

Civil servant - dinner person at the school...? (permanently employed part time)
Ltd Co director
"Manager" of a Ltd Co - so the "Manager" of your local Ye olde bun shoppe?
Member of a trade association - well that limits things!

Very few ner-do-wells in the above list! Very hard to become one of the approved people eh!

M

Dinner person at school is not a civil servant. But it is a broad list.

[mjcp]

chairman or director of a limited company
civil servant (permanent)
director, manager or personnel officer of a VAT-registered company
journalist
manager or personnel officer of a limited company
member, associate or fellow of a professional body

licensee of a public house


Hard to argue against anyone from that list certfiying a doc. Yes I am bored today.

Not exactly a restrictive list is it?

Civil servant - dinner person at the school...? (permanently employed part time)
Ltd Co director
"Manager" of a Ltd Co - so the "Manager" of your local Ye olde bun shoppe?
Member of a trade association - well that limits things!

Very few ner-do-wells in the above list! Very hard to become one of the approved people eh!

M

[northernladyuk]

Not sure we needed to know that...

It's always disappointing when one of your clients opts for self-service.

[northernladuk]

I did myself

Not sure we needed to know that...

[514910445]

I did myself and worked out.

Thanks

[Old Greg]

I think that's only for counter-signing Passport photos.

The website says "Your document must be certified by a professional person or someone well-respected in your community (‘of good standing’)."

Passport countersignature says "be ‘a person of good standing in their community’ or work in (or be retired from) a recognised profession" Countersigning passport applications and photos - GOV.UK

Recognised professions listed are:

Countersigning passport applications and photos: Accepted occupations for countersignatories - GOV.UK

Examples of recognised professions include:

• accountant
• airline pilot
• articled clerk of a limited company
• assurance agent of recognised company
• bank or building society official
• barrister
• chairman or director of a limited company
• chiropodist
• commissioner for oaths
• councillor, for example local or county
• civil servant (permanent)
• dentist
• director, manager or personnel officer of a VAT-registered company
• engineer with professional qualifications
• financial services intermediary, for example a stockbroker or insurance broker
• fire service official
• funeral director
• insurance agent (full time) of a recognised company
• journalist
• Justice of the Peace
• legal secretary (fellow or associate member of the Institute of Legal Secretaries and PAs)
• licensee of a public house
• local government officer
• manager or personnel officer of a limited company
• member, associate or fellow of a professional body
• Member of Parliament
• Merchant Navy officer
• minister of a recognised religion (including Christian Science)
• nurse (RGN or RMN)
• officer of the armed services
• optician
• paralegal (certified paralegal, qualified paralegal or associate member of the Institute of Paralegals)
• person with honours, for example an OBE or MBE
• pharmacist
• photographer (professional)
• police officer
• Post Office official
• president or secretary of a recognised organisation
• Salvation Army officer
• social worker
• solicitor
• surveyor
• teacher or lecturer
• trade union officer
• travel agent (qualified)
• valuer or auctioneer (fellow or associate members of the incorporated society)
• Warrant Officers and Chief Petty Officers

Hard to argue against anyone from that list certfiying a doc. Yes I am bored today.