Reply to: Moving to Ireland - keeping my UK job

[northernladyuk]

And there’s no crumpets, no gravy in the chipper. I do this all the time, miss home, go native then hate it!

Or pea wet.

[stek]

And there’s no crumpets, no gravy in the chipper. I do this all the time, miss home, go native then hate it!

[Parris]

Lemsips, €8 for 10, motor tax, €1849 for my Maser, insurance €1600, £235/£400 in UK. Ireland has road tolls too.

My one room shed/cabin in Northside, €1200 a month, pub lunch €15 for steak and Guinness pie, never anything else!

Taxi, rip off.

Trams are good, driving into Dublin is awful, don’t park around Sheriff St Lower, don’t go in Noctors pub, there’s a reason the window shutters are down even when it’s open and the Gardaí are parked outside 24/7.

Hah thanks!

Luckily, Dublin visits will be restricted to weekends and visits to friends and we will have a 4 bed house to move straight into for, I think, less than your shed!

[Lance]

Lemsips, €8 for 10, motor tax, €1849 for my Maser, insurance €1600, £235/£400 in UK. Ireland has road tolls too.

My one room shed/cabin in Northside, €1200 a month, pub lunch €15 for steak and Guinness pie, never anything else!

Taxi, rip off.

Trams are good, driving into Dublin is awful, don’t park around Sheriff St Lower, don’t go in Noctors pub, there’s a reason the window shutters are down even when it’s open and the Gardaí are parked outside 24/7.

have you got that job with the Eire Tourist Office yet?

[stek]

Lemsips, €8 for 10, motor tax, €1849 for my Maser, insurance €1600, £235/£400 in UK. Ireland has road tolls too.

My one room shed/cabin in Northside, €1200 a month, pub lunch €15 for steak and Guinness pie, never anything else!

Taxi, rip off.

Trams are good, driving into Dublin is awful, don’t park around Sheriff St Lower, don’t go in Noctors pub, there’s a reason the window shutters are down even when it’s open and the Gardaí are parked outside 24/7.

[Parris]

Interesting thread and I wish you well, OP.

Although I've worked quite a lot in Dublin, it's been on a UK based contract where I was dividing my time between London, home and Dublin and I never had to worry about any major implications. But one thing I wanted to emphasise in the situation you're in... it would be quite easy to miss out on important implications because of what you're doing and why. It's as simple as this really, isn't it - you're a valued employee and your company don't want to lose you, so they're prepared to jump through hoops to keep you working for them (congratulations on that, by the way). They sound as clueless (I don't mean that nastily!) as you in this so I do think it would be easy for you AND them to miss something (in good faith), and you end up in trouble down the line. I appreciate that's why you're on here doing your research and well done for that too.

The key thing is, whichever option you choose, consider getting professional advice on it even if you have to pay a few hundred for it (it sounds like your employer might be willing to stump up for this anyway). It should be easy enough for your employer to seek tax advice on your behalf and that is really what you want here, I think. It's more common in the scenario where the company is sending you abroad as an expat in which case all the processes are likely to be in place to support you and get you the advice you need, whereas in this case they aren't. So this reply is really a general note of caution!

And finally - sorry to state the bleedin' obvious but you really do need to consider Brexit in this. There is so much uncertainty that it's not out of the question you wouldn't even be allowed to live in Ireland and work in the UK without a sponsored work permit, come March next year. Before anyone jumps on me, I know that's unlikely, particularly with Ireland and the UK as opposed to other countries in the EU, but it's particularly annoying timing to be making a move like this.

Final comment - the other poster who mentioned the expense of Dublin in particular was far from wrong. I have found it to be in many ways worse than London. It's worth thinking about what you will do and where you will work if things don't work out long term with your current company.

I wish you and your fiancée all the best!

Thank you Glencky. I totally get what you mean and don't take offense to any of it, as you're right - it's all completely alien to me!

I've had a good response from someone at Icon Accounting, outlying an option my company can do with them to keep me as a permie, and an option for me to do the director umbrella thing, so I've sent that on to HR here. HR have also paid a specialist to look into this for us, to see what the best option(s) will be for both parties.

My company have said they will fully support me to make this work, so I'm confident this will work out - I'm just trying to make sure I have all the information I need and all angles covered myself. They will be doing things by the book and so if I end up being inside IR35 (only recently read up on this and have a very basic understanding of it), then they will make sure I don't end up out of pocket etc.

Brexit is definitely on my mind and I guess we will have to see what happens there. I should probably get married quickly and apply for a passport haha. One of her friends is a politician and he doesn't think it will really change, although obviously anything can happen!

We will be about an hour from Dublin and her house and family are all in a large commuter town, so there are potential jobs around or an 'OK' commute to Dublin (my job is in IT as a Database Administrator). I'll be honest, her parents live a reasonably privileged life and they are willing to give us as much support as we need while we settle in.

Again, thank you for the kind words and advice.

[Lance]

The Irish still observe the tradition of the dowry. Pop the question and get her family to buy you one. Sorted.

Get her knocked up then you don't even need to ask.
Apparently if you do that it's for life in Ireland.

[Glencky]

Interesting thread and I wish you well, OP.

Although I've worked quite a lot in Dublin, it's been on a UK based contract where I was dividing my time between London, home and Dublin and I never had to worry about any major implications. But one thing I wanted to emphasise in the situation you're in... it would be quite easy to miss out on important implications because of what you're doing and why. It's as simple as this really, isn't it - you're a valued employee and your company don't want to lose you, so they're prepared to jump through hoops to keep you working for them (congratulations on that, by the way). They sound as clueless (I don't mean that nastily!) as you in this so I do think it would be easy for you AND them to miss something (in good faith), and you end up in trouble down the line. I appreciate that's why you're on here doing your research and well done for that too.

The key thing is, whichever option you choose, consider getting professional advice on it even if you have to pay a few hundred for it (it sounds like your employer might be willing to stump up for this anyway). It should be easy enough for your employer to seek tax advice on your behalf and that is really what you want here, I think. It's more common in the scenario where the company is sending you abroad as an expat in which case all the processes are likely to be in place to support you and get you the advice you need, whereas in this case they aren't. So this reply is really a general note of caution!

And finally - sorry to state the bleedin' obvious but you really do need to consider Brexit in this. There is so much uncertainty that it's not out of the question you wouldn't even be allowed to live in Ireland and work in the UK without a sponsored work permit, come March next year. Before anyone jumps on me, I know that's unlikely, particularly with Ireland and the UK as opposed to other countries in the EU, but it's particularly annoying timing to be making a move like this.

Final comment - the other poster who mentioned the expense of Dublin in particular was far from wrong. I have found it to be in many ways worse than London. It's worth thinking about what you will do and where you will work if things don't work out long term with your current company.

I wish you and your fiancée all the best!

[Parris]

The Irish still observe the tradition of the dowry. Pop the question and get her family to buy you one. Sorted.

Not a bad shout. Have to weigh that up against the wedding cost though, although apparently if you end up inviting everyones milk man and their dog (which seems common with the weddings in Ireland I've been to so far) it pays for itself

[northernladuk]

Thank you! Yeah I've been made aware of that one already. Had my car for a few years now so should be fine with avoiding that. Just a bugger that I really want a new car but not quite saved up enough just yet!

The Irish still observe the tradition of the dowry. Pop the question and get her family to buy you one. Sorted.

[Parris]

If you own a car look into importing it to avoid VRT. There are rules. If I think of anything else I will post it.

Thank you! Yeah I've been made aware of that one already. Had my car for a few years now so should be fine with avoiding that. Just a bugger that I really want a new car but not quite saved up enough just yet!

[northernladyuk]

I have sent Icon an email for details. I wouldn't need/want to go through an agency, as I have a direct route in with my company. Hopefully will get some more info from HR in the next few days but appreciate all the help here so far!

If you own a car look into importing it to avoid VRT. There are rules. If I think of anything else I will post it.

[Parris]

Possible alternative is to get Hays to payroll you but the tax will be brutal.

I have sent Icon an email for details. I wouldn't need/want to go through an agency, as I have a direct route in with my company. Hopefully will get some more info from HR in the next few days but appreciate all the help here so far!

[northernladyuk]

Thanks for the replies both.

I have said that if I go down the contract route, I will not want to be without private healthcare, so that will be factored into what I get paid. I am waiting for some further information back from HR at work, as they have contacted a financial lawyer to look into the best options. I'll look to contact Icon Accounting too.

Girlfriend has a house in county Wexford (an hour South of Dublin) and her family have businesses in the area, so we will have plenty of support and her parents may be able to help with advice too.

Possible alternative is to get Hays to payroll you but the tax will be brutal.

[Parris]

Thanks for the replies both.

I have said that if I go down the contract route, I will not want to be without private healthcare, so that will be factored into what I get paid. I am waiting for some further information back from HR at work, as they have contacted a financial lawyer to look into the best options. I'll look to contact Icon Accounting too.

Girlfriend has a house in county Wexford (an hour South of Dublin) and her family have businesses in the area, so we will have plenty of support and her parents may be able to help with advice too.