Reply to: Business class to fly back early from holiday for work

[northernladuk]

Yes!! Go for it!

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[WTFH]

And in those scenarios, there would be no business requirement, it would fall foul of the expenses rules and obviously wouldn't be a valid business expense.

So it seems your point is the same as mine - in some cases it's a valid expense and in others it's not (the same as Maslins said a while back).

Yes, but if the OP is looking for a definitive yes or no from us (which he appears to be wanting), until he is honest and shares all the facts then I would err on the side of caution

[TheFaQQer]

Here’s another couple of scenarios:
1. Goes on holiday of a lifetime but massively under-budgets. 1 month in he has run out of cash and has decided to fly back now, broke. Rather than staying in cheap hotels, decides to finish the holiday with a bit of style and fly business class.

2. Goes on holiday of a lifetime with friend(s). They really don’t get on well on the trip. Decides that rather than spending another couple of months with nightmare company, cut his losses.

And in those scenarios, there would be no business requirement, it would fall foul of the expenses rules and obviously wouldn't be a valid business expense.

So it seems your point is the same as mine - in some cases it's a valid expense and in others it's not (the same as Maslins said a while back).

[northernladuk]

I'm thinking OP is fairly young and has no particular home so travelling or having a fairly nomadic lifestyle but comes back to the UK when he finds work. Not uncommon for our offshore friends for example.

[WTFH]

Here’s another couple of scenarios:
1. Goes on holiday of a lifetime but massively under-budgets. 1 month in he has run out of cash and has decided to fly back now, broke. Rather than staying in cheap hotels, decides to finish the holiday with a bit of style and fly business class.

2. Goes on holiday of a lifetime with friend(s). They really don’t get on well on the trip. Decides that rather than spending another couple of months with nightmare company, cut his losses.

[TheFaQQer]

Also the OP knows he may have to return to start work so commonsense would be to buy a flexible ticket in the first place to save money.

Common sense has no place in tax law

[northernladuk]

Is it worth pointing this post out?

http://forums.contractoruk.com/accou...ml#post2299279

Bolstering his UK presence? But he's not in the UK for a couple of months? Connected?

Where does the OP actually live?

[WTFH]

How nice it must be to always be in a position where you can turn down work and / or risk not getting a long-term contract by telling them that you won't start until the end of your holiday - but maybe you should remember that not everyone is in the luxurious position that you and NLUK seem to presume.

Some people may want to cut short the holiday, and if the client says "it's start this week on £500 a day for the next three months but you can't delay the start at all" then I can understand why that would be tempting to head home and take the role rather than saying "sod that, I'll rock up when I want to - like it or lump it".

It's always the choice of the director whether the company will accept the role or not, but to presume that it's dodgy to want to start work as soon as possible seems more than a little stupid IMHO.

If the director thinks it’s OK to go away for a 3+ month holiday, then why is he applying for work while on his holiday?
If the funds are that tight, then he shouldn’t have booked such a long trip away if he knew that he’d need to fly home early.

So either the director should not have planned to be away fro so long, or he should be taking a break from work, while his BTL and online retail companies bring in enough money that he can continue his retirement (as he put in his other threads recently).

But if you’re happy that one month into this holiday of a lifetime, that he wants to cut it short by trying to find a new contract, that’s OK. His other threads don’t back that up, nor does his lack of answering simple questions.
He wants us to be his accountant.
He wants us all to say “Sure, book your tickets now, fly home and maybe get an interview” or something like that.

[SueEllen]

How nice it must be to always be in a position where you can turn down work and / or risk not getting a long-term contract by telling them that you won't start until the end of your holiday - but maybe you should remember that not everyone is in the luxurious position that you and NLUK seem to presume.

Some people may want to cut short the holiday, and if the client says "it's start this week on £500 a day for the next three months but you can't delay the start at all" then I can understand why that would be tempting to head home and take the role rather than saying "sod that, I'll rock up when I want to - like it or lump it".

It's always the choice of the director whether the company will accept the role or not, but to presume that it's dodgy to want to start work as soon as possible seems more than a little stupid IMHO.

The poster has history of asking "odd" questions so what do you expect people to think?

Also the OP knows he may have to return to start work so commonsense would be to buy a flexible ticket in the first place to save money.

[northernladuk]

Now now TF. No need to be calling anyone stupid. I'm not presuming anything. The only thing I think is dodgy is the reasons he's using to try justify the business travel. The drip feed of information isn't helping.

[TheFaQQer]

He’s talking about accepting a new contract while he is on holiday, not agreeing a start date for after his holiday is finished, but saying he must come home immediately.

A business reason for a trip home from your holiday is one where your business requires you to do it because of a pre-agreed contract or plan.

Making a new contract and signing up to it while you are on holiday is not a business requirement, but a personal choice.
It is not his business that is telling him to come home urgently, it’s his choice about accepting a new contract.

How nice it must be to always be in a position where you can turn down work and / or risk not getting a long-term contract by telling them that you won't start until the end of your holiday - but maybe you should remember that not everyone is in the luxurious position that you and NLUK seem to presume.

Some people may want to cut short the holiday, and if the client says "it's start this week on £500 a day for the next three months but you can't delay the start at all" then I can understand why that would be tempting to head home and take the role rather than saying "sod that, I'll rock up when I want to - like it or lump it".

It's always the choice of the director whether the company will accept the role or not, but to presume that it's dodgy to want to start work as soon as possible seems more than a little stupid IMHO.

[WTFH]

Still sounds like go on holiday until he gets a gig to me.

This.

OP, what has your accountant said?

[northernladuk]

Because what the OP said in post 17 was:


So, his business reason (as Maslins put it) for coming home is that he accepted a new contract while he was away on holiday and rather than trying to negotiate a start date decided to hop on a plane straight away.
He’s not in a contract at the minute. He’s on the bench and on holiday.
He’s talking about accepting a new contract while he is on holiday, not agreeing a start date for after his holiday is finished, but saying he must come home immediately.

A business reason for a trip home from your holiday is one where your business requires you to do it because of a pre-agreed contract or plan.

Making a new contract and signing up to it while you are on holiday is not a business requirement, but a personal choice.
It is not his business that is telling him to come home urgently, it’s his choice about accepting a new contract.

All this and I'm still not convinced of the intentions here. Still sounds like go on holiday until he gets a gig to me.

[northernladuk]

that would be zero knowledge, just asking for facts, thats all.

Give us some to work with then.

[bluepeter]

Hmmm - accountant says that in a given scenario then they would see no problem with it being something that can be claimed (post 14). Poster confirms that the scenario is as described by accountant (post 17). And yet you are certain that this is dodgy.

What different accounting knowledge and experience are you calling on from Maslins?

that would be zero knowledge, just asking for facts, thats all.