Reply to: Contractor - 2 + years? Holiday entitlement?

[jdotr]

No need to be rude.

It normally works like this -
You -> limited/umbrella -> agency -> client

Therefore if you want a rate rise or a renewal you have to go through the agency.

Sometimes it works like this -
You -> limited/umbrella -> client

Therefore if you want a rate rise or a renewal you ask the client.

Then there are scenarios like this -
You -> agency -> client
Or this -
You -> limited/umbrella -> agency -> client A -> client B
etc

There is no way of us knowing unless you explicitly state it whether your situation is the first, the second or some other form.

Hi all,

Thank you for your advice.. Sorry i found his comment rude. So i tried to give him his own medicine

My employment is currently like this : You -> limited/umbrella -> agency -> client.

I have recently been offered to work as a permanent employee on a government contract which i may consider. Which leads me onto another question about DV/SC clearance xD

Ill create another topic.

Thank you all!!

[MrMarkyMark]

From my experience as a contractor and worked for various organisations, majority of the management only really promote their 'friends' or colleagues who don't challenge their decisions or have common traits (such as smoking, gaming, gambling, alcohol and drugs.. yes drugs! )

Thanks guys.

Maybe you should try harder to fit in?

[Sausage Surprise]

Hi all,

I was hoping for some advise.

I am employed by an umbrella company and i have been working on the same contract for 2 years (on going extension every 6 months).

As everyone is aware, i cant claim my expenses (mileage and sustenance as i am still at the same location).

However i have a question related to holiday entitlement. As i have been working on the same contract for 2 years can i have the same benefits in terms of holidays as permanent staff? Currently i dont get paid for any holidays i take (including bank holidays/Christmas period etc)

When my contract was up for re-newel i handed in my 1 weeks notice as financially it wasn't worth working at the location as i wasn't able to mileage etc . They offered to increase my salary to compensate for the tax increase which i agreed to . 1 of the consultants who also works as a contractor advised me to speak to them regarding holiday entitlement as he said i may be in the position to get paid for my holidays.

Any advise would be great!

I hope you had a Merry Christmas and i hope you have a happy new year!!

ADVICE!!!!!!

[SimonMac]

Ok - Fair point about paying me for not working haha!

I prefer to stay as a contractor due to the flexibility on moving between contracts to gain experience Well until i find a organisation which can offer its staff progression within the organisation (For those staff who show commitment/provide ideas and like to get involved obviously).
From my experience as a contractor and worked for various organisations, majority of the management only really promote their 'friends' or colleagues who don't challenge their decisions or have common traits (such as smoking, gaming, gambling, alcohol and drugs.. yes drugs! )

Thanks guys.

At 2 years + I think you need to redefine the definition of flexibility

[WordIsBond]

I normally avoid getting involved in this specific conversation, however, I have something to add, which might throw another direction of thought.

I was engaged as a Contractor, to a very larger American Corporation in the UK, through an agency, on an Employed Consultant basis. After I had been there two years, I was informed that I was entitled to 33 days full pay for holidays, plus 10 days sick pay. Prior to that I got 26 days fully paid holidays. Effectively a zero days contract, PAYE, but at Contractor's rates.

Room for thought?

Yeah, it gives me some thoughts.

1. Get American clients.
2. Work your butt off to keep them.
3. Never use those sick days unless you absolutely have to, and then you'll never have hassle when you do have to use them.

Who knows? An American client might even send an unexpected Christmas bonus your way.

[Scruff]

I normally avoid getting involved in this specific conversation, however, I have something to add, which might throw another direction of thought.

I was engaged as a Contractor, to a very larger American Corporation in the UK, through an agency, on an Employed Consultant basis. After I had been there two years, I was informed that I was entitled to 33 days full pay for holidays, plus 10 days sick pay. Prior to that I got 26 days fully paid holidays. Effectively a zero days contract, PAYE, but at Contractor's rates.

Room for thought?

[SueEllen]

I deal directly with the client. And im sure if you had some common sense, you would know one would like to discuss the re-newel terms of any contract a few weeks prior to it ending.

Yes you are correct, technically its not a tax increase, however when you will be tax £600 a week as opposed to £450 then i like to say its a increase

Yes as you are the 'CUK forum personality of 2011' - Winner... I know you would be smart enough to say "why dont you go limited"? Well due to reasons which i wont diverge into... i cant set up a LTD just yet

No need to be rude.

It normally works like this -
You -> limited/umbrella -> agency -> client

Therefore if you want a rate rise or a renewal you have to go through the agency.

Sometimes it works like this -
You -> limited/umbrella -> client

Therefore if you want a rate rise or a renewal you ask the client.

Then there are scenarios like this -
You -> agency -> client
Or this -
You -> limited/umbrella -> agency -> client A -> client B
etc

There is no way of us knowing unless you explicitly state it whether your situation is the first, the second or some other form.

[ASB]

Through an umbrella you say? Yes.

26 days holiday minimm in accordance with emoyment law.

Same in fact as any employee of any company. Including all those directors.

it is obviously the emloyer that need to provide it. Not the end client.

likely it will be at minimum wage or however your employment contract is structured.

[NotAllThere]

I am not so sure. After a while you do effectively become an employee. .

Rubbish. If you are employee of company A who supply you to company B you have no rights, whatsoever, with company B.

[jdotr]

If you want the same terms as permies go permie.



In this paragraph who is 'them'? The umbrella or the client?
You don't need to hand your notice in at the end of a contract, you just don't accept the renewal.
It's not really a tax increase is it.
The other consultant is taking the piss and having a good laugh at your expense.

I'm thinking you don't have a very good grasp on your situation and what you do which I'd suggest you understand better.

I deal directly with the client. And im sure if you had some common sense, you would know one would like to discuss the re-newel terms of any contract a few weeks prior to it ending.

Yes you are correct, technically its not a tax increase, however when you will be tax £600 a week as opposed to £450 then i like to say its a increase

Yes as you are the 'CUK forum personality of 2011' - Winner... I know you would be smart enough to say "why dont you go limited"? Well due to reasons which i wont diverge into... i cant set up a LTD just yet

[northernladuk]

If you want the same terms as permies go permie.

When my contract was up for re-newel i handed in my 1 weeks notice as financially it wasn't worth working at the location as i wasn't able to mileage etc . They offered to increase my salary to compensate for the tax increase which i agreed to . 1 of the consultants who also works as a contractor advised me to speak to them regarding holiday entitlement as he said i may be in the position to get paid for my holidays.

In this paragraph who is 'them'? The umbrella or the client?
You don't need to hand your notice in at the end of a contract, you just don't accept the renewal.
It's not really a tax increase is it.
The other consultant is taking the piss and having a good laugh at your expense.

I'm thinking you don't have a very good grasp on your situation and what you do which I'd suggest you understand better.

[jdotr]

Ok - Fair point about paying me for not working haha!

I prefer to stay as a contractor due to the flexibility on moving between contracts to gain experience Well until i find a organisation which can offer its staff progression within the organisation (For those staff who show commitment/provide ideas and like to get involved obviously).
From my experience as a contractor and worked for various organisations, majority of the management only really promote their 'friends' or colleagues who don't challenge their decisions or have common traits (such as smoking, gaming, gambling, alcohol and drugs.. yes drugs! )

Thanks guys.

[BrilloPad]

You're not entitled to any "holiday pay" from the client as you're not employed by them. Any holiday pay from your brolly comes from the fee your agency pays the brolly.

I am not so sure. After a while you do effectively become an employee. Which is why big companies do have limits on length of time that contractors are employed for.

I suspect that if you ask then you will have your contract terminated immediately.

[mudskipper]

If you're after a perm job, why not ask the client if there is one available? If not, it's unreasonable to expect them to pay contract rates then expect holiday pay on top. Your brolly will already be making deductions for holiday pay.

(Oh, and it's advice, not advise )

[NotAllThere]

If you can get the end client to pay you for a certain number of days a year when you're not working for them, then great. I don't really understand why you are asking the question?

You're not entitled to any "holiday pay" from the client as you're not employed by them. Any holiday pay from your brolly comes from the fee your agency pays the brolly.