Originally posted by malvolio
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My story, and how it's relavent to recent IR35 determinations and corporate scapegoat
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostWell that's going well. Best estimates put it that overall tax income will go down by about £2.5bn a year as a result of these changes....merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View PostOh, and is anyone still listening to JtB?Comment
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostWell that's going well. Best estimates put it that overall tax income will go down by about £2.5bn a year as a result of these changes....Comment
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostHmmm.... Have you been talking to JtB?
And if your "client" has decided not to use PSC contractors for their own reasons and so hasn't made a determination of any kind...?
And your basic premise is wrong. Most contractors in my fairly wide experience don't want to be employees of any kind. It's not about rights - I get all the ones I need from my own company, thanks - but the freedom from being someone's servant.
And finally, we have been saying very loudly hat your new permanent/umbrella/agency temp/whatever contract needs to be as far away as possible from your previous freelance one. Anyone who simply changes status without a completely new contract is a fool.Comment
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostTried to read twice. Gave up both times. Anyone care to summarise?Comment
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Originally posted by BrilloPad View PostTry this: -
So client says you are an employee. You say you are not an employee. So you sue for employee rights.....
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I sort of agree. But the master here is HMRC. The fight against here is against HMRC. That was lost when retrospection came in.Comment
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Originally posted by pacontracting View PostSo what you are saying is that if found inside, you can take them to the county court and receive over 100,000 (I'm guessing pounds) which you will then pay to HMRC after the investigation for having been found inside? So as well as collecting VAT for HMRC, you are suggesting contractors collect 'lost' employers NI too - in a roundabout way?
In all seriousness though - I understand what you were saying. It seems you were forced to incorporate and this is exactly what the IR35 regulations are about - to prevent employers taking advantage of their staff by avoiding NICs.
Most professional contractors are not in this position. They go into contracting with their eyes open, wanting to provide professional services to clients, very much under a contract for services basis. They are happy to forego the 'employment' perks for running their own lives.
Anyway, this mentality obviously added to my prior experiences as a contractor (New Zealand, 5 years). Unfortunately, I've never had the opportunity to meet and work alongside true independent contractors. Maybe one day, now that I have a better understand of what it takes to really be free when contracting and that standing your ground and being independent is crucial.Comment
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Originally posted by cojak View PostYep, that’s how I read it too PAC.
The OP should have read this first... Forced into contracting? Read this first.
(Although I appreciate that he doesn’t sound like a minimum wage kind of guy.)
I can clearly see how my "mentality" (you refer to it as these people) use to be of the type as described in your post (Forced into contracting? Read this first.). You did a great job in writing that post and clearly highlighted the true distinct nature between real independent contractors and gig-economy workers forced to work through limited companies.
I hope I can one day put to use the knowledge that I have acquired and have the freedom that I now seek.
It's true what they say: "You don't know what you have until you lose it". For me, that meant proving the existence of my master's chains around my ankles only to realise that I never want to be chained again!Comment
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Originally posted by Finance Contractor View PostIf you were forced to incorporate, and earned no more than a perm employee, why did you stay there? We’re there no other roles available at other companies?
Sorry for your situation but I can’t get my head around how you could end up in a situation where you have to start consider tribunals etc. Why not leave for a better situation on another companies payroll?Comment
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