NHS - no more outside IR35

[notahappybunny]

You could argue there are plenty of people sat around the previous poster that have caused this.

Part way through some major restructuring of a very specialist area. I am not comfortable leaving them in the lurch as there is only one of me in the Trust and have never walked away from unfinished work before....but then again I am supposed to be retired so the OH may be pleased

[LondonManc]

Part way through some major restructuring of a very specialist area. I am not comfortable leaving them in the lurch as there is only one of me in the Trust and have never walked away from unfinished work before....but then again I am supposed to be retired so the OH may be pleased

You've never had a 45% pay cut forced on you before, with a bonus retrograb thrown in for free.
They've brought this on themselves through trying to apply something to an archaic tax structure to "fix" a modern problem.

[Support Monkey]

My PSB (Trust) are not interested in determination tools / QDOS etc.......ruled my interim contract inside IR35 and no attempt to retain or consult with me whatsoever. Line manager fully understands my reasons for leaving but is absolutely frantic as they have already tried to recruit a suitably skilled / experienced permanent employee (unsuccessfully twice) and actually wanted to extend my contract.

Agreed to stay until 30th (monies paid before the 5th agreed )but even if they do find a suitable candidate (position not advertised at the moment) it is likely to be a 6 month process to get someone in place.
Seems such a shame

My particular letter came direct from the trusts contracts HR person, and there is no mention of looking into individual cases, it's a blanket "your now inside IR35"

I think the pretend contractors will just suck it up and any genuine contractor is probably going to walk to the Private sector

[b r]

As said previously, don't get ill over the Easter weekend...

[Andy Hallett]

A few blanket responses received, but not many - the majority are accepting review of individual cases.

[seeourbee]

A lot of my contacts in NHS are just accepting it. Which is fine in my opinion as they sound like employees anyway. And at that rate HMRC may be happy enough with that small effortless win and not relentlessly pursue the smaller remaining portion.

Time will tell...

[Support Monkey]

A few blanket responses received, but not many - the majority are accepting review of individual cases.

Well maybe but I think when your dealing with this on-mass come April I can't see many trusts-PS HR departments spending time using tools and assessing individual contracts especially considering the amount of contractors we're talking about.

[LondonManc]

A lot of my contacts in NHS are just accepting it. Which is fine in my opinion as they sound like employees anyway. And at that rate HMRC may be happy enough with that small effortless win and not relentlessly pursue the smaller remaining portion.

Time will tell...

They'll judge what is effortless - I'd suggest that moving to an umbrella would be safer to avoid a retrograb; if you're operating a limited company and outside, stay in the same role and then suddenly you're inside, you're a sitting duck for the taxman to say, okay, what's changed.

From what I've read, the benefits of operating a limited if you're purely running inside IR35 contracts are minimal; you're comparing insurance and accountancy costs with not being hit for umbrella fees and the apprentice levy. Small beans compared to the major PAYE hit that you're taking.

Outside & limited at the moment? If you're deemed inside and staying put, going umbrella seems safer imho, but I could be wrong.

[Manwell Pablo]

I mean this might sound naive here, but why on earth don't they just adjust the contracts to comply with outside IR35 regulations......I would of thought that'd be relatively simple. Then if HMRC want to investigate they'd have to physically investigate you which lets face it is not something they make a habit of doing that often!

[LondonManc]

I mean this might sound naive here, but why on earth don't they just adjust the contracts to comply with outside IR35 regulations......I would of thought that'd be relatively simple. Then if HMRC want to investigate they'd have to physically investigate you which lets face it is not something they make a habit of doing that often!

So you're advocating tax evasion?