Staying in the same public sector contract after April 2017

[BoredBloke]

We've all had emails this morning confirming contractors inside IR35 from April.

The mass exodus begins & panic with the client is now tangible!

It doesn't effect me yet (because I work in the private sector) but I wouldn't extend even if they offered more cash to offset the increased tax take because suddenly accepting that your role is inside IR35 would lead you wide open to HMRC coming after you for IR35 related back taxes.

[Gaz_M]

It doesn't effect me yet (because I work in the private sector) but I wouldn't extend even if they offered more cash to offset the increased tax take because suddenly accepting that your role is inside IR35 would lead you wide open to HMRC coming after you for IR35 related back taxes.

I was offered an extension yesterday as they now know the project will not get delivered. I promptly declined and leave on Feb 3rd.

Will be very interesting how this whole thing pans out & I'm convinced many organisations still have no idea how this is going to affect them. My current gig hadn't given it consideration until the emails came out yesterday & all nine contractors said they're off - the managers were locked in a meeting when I left at 6!

[seeourbee]

Well played (the resigning guys). It's strong action like that that will kick his ludicrous legislation where it hurts. Please keep us up to date.

[nucastle]

I was offered an extension yesterday as they now know the project will not get delivered. I promptly declined and leave on Feb 3rd.

Will be very interesting how this whole thing pans out & I'm convinced many organisations still have no idea how this is going to affect them. My current gig hadn't given it consideration until the emails came out yesterday & all nine contractors said they're off - the managers were locked in a meeting when I left at 6!

Which department was it?

[LondonManc]

I was offered an extension yesterday as they now know the project will not get delivered. I promptly declined and leave on Feb 3rd.

Will be very interesting how this whole thing pans out & I'm convinced many organisations still have no idea how this is going to affect them. My current gig hadn't given it consideration until the emails came out yesterday & all nine contractors said they're off - the managers were locked in a meeting when I left at 6!

What did they expect to happen, you all to hand them lube and bend over politely?

[SussexSeagull]

So, assuming similar contracts and working practices, what is the justification for offering IR35 exemptions to 'key' contractors other than project delivery?

Surely if several of your colleagues are deemed to be within IR35 and you aren't because your skillset is different you run a massive risk of the HMRC coming after you in the future?

[seeourbee]

Staying in the same public sector contract after April 2017

The key thing is a complete shambles and shows how badly implemented this is going to be. It has absolutely no place in IR35 discussions and will show them very quickly just how far they've travelled down the wrong street.

[northernladuk]

So, assuming similar contracts and working practices, what is the justification for offering IR35 exemptions to 'key' contractors other than project delivery?

Surely if several of your colleagues are deemed to be within IR35 and you aren't because your skillset is different you run a massive risk of the HMRC coming after you in the future?

Those key guys will be in quite senior positions. Not the humdrum of project/delivery etc. Everyone thinks they are important to a project but I doubt this will apply to a vast majority, if any at all.

[BoredBloke]

So, assuming similar contracts and working practices, what is the justification for offering IR35 exemptions to 'key' contractors other than project delivery?

Surely if several of your colleagues are deemed to be within IR35 and you aren't because your skillset is different you run a massive risk of the HMRC coming after you in the future?

Under those circumstances I'd also imagine that there would be plenty of people challenging the decision to put them inside IR35 also. You just couldn't make this sh1t up. I wonder which rocket scientist at HMRC came up with this and didn't envisage any of this happening. As others have said, well done to those handing their notice in and refusing to accept this.

[LondonManc]

Those key guys will be in quite senior positions. Not the humdrum of project/delivery etc. Everyone thinks they are important to a project but I doubt this will apply to a vast majority, if any at all.

Are you making an assumption here?

I'd guess that Sussex Seagull is closer to the truth but this leaves a third way - actually put working practices in place that only true specialists can work to. Ones that embrace no SDC and so on. The PS could then be used to properly identify specialists versus permietractors.

Simple test - can anyone on site carry out the work asked of the contractor or be in a position to tell them how to do it?