BIG GROUP

[Delendog]

Delendog ,

Thanks for update. I am just surprised Big Group and WTT did not submit evidence earlier and in good time. Their member and clients are prime example of those who are and will be effected by this and would have added priceless insight. Missed opportunity.

Even Unite has submitted something on some other part of the bill on behalf of its members

Actually Luxcon you are looking at the evidence submitted for the last bill not this one. This one has no evidence published yet. Be good to check your facts.
https://services.parliament.uk/bills...ill201719.html

[webberg]

The submissions made were on time and in accordance with what was asked for. They have been acknowledged by the committee and we are warned that they may be published.

The committee does not want "evidence" of how HMRC is alleged to have treated taxpayers.

What they want is people with experience and expertise and people who are likely impacted by the legislation under debate - not previous legislation - to comment on how the legislation - under debate now, might impact the situation.

Looking for details of submission made on prior finance bills/acts is hardly meeting the criteria for this one.

I'm also not sure of the point of the criticism directed at us?

Yes Big Group is perhaps the largest unbiased grouping around, but there are other groups who represent (usually) members of particular schemes or the remnants of promoters who claim to have large numbers of clients. By far the largest group is those contractors who are not part of any recognised group (fee paying or otherwise).

For all I know you fit one of these groups? If so, then is it legitimate to ask why submissions were not made by these organised or independent people? Why single out Big Group? Have we done something to offend you?

Perhaps you made a submission of your own? If so, good for you. If not, then I'm unclear why you are criticising another?

[BrilloPad]

Delendog ,

Thanks for update. I am just surprised Big Group and WTT did not submit evidence earlier and in good time. Their member and clients are prime example of those who are and will be effected by this and would have added priceless insight. Missed opportunity.

Even Unite has submitted something on some other part of the bill on behalf of its members

You lost me at that point. MPs will do whatever their HMRC overlords tell them to.

[ns1]

Even if someone stood outside Parliament waving copies of the 2019 legislation, poured petrol over themselves and struck a match, it wouldn't make any difference.

This was a done deal the moment HMRC concocted it.

[BrilloPad]

This was a done deal the moment HMRC concocted it.

Agreed.

[webberg]

Some of our clients have had a letter from the liquidator appointed to the

Castlemaine Trust

We are not insolvency specialists but there are some statements in the letter that such an expert may have reason to clarify.

The letter indicates that a court hearing has been scheduled for

6th March 2018

For all we know, there may be nothing to do or which can be done in this situation but we have asked our clients involved in the scheme if they wish to take some advice from a third party.

We will coordinate and if asked supply such information as we have.

If you wish to be part of this, whether in Big Group or not, please let us know.

You do not have to join Big Group. There is no fee payable to us. If a third party requires a fee, obviously it will be shared.

Thanks

[Finalwhistle]

De Graaf

Is there a Big Group for De Graaf users of 2012-2015 arrangements? I think it was just a self-employed loan arrangement so should be pretty common.
I am one of 4 contractors interested in joining. However i'm thinking the April CL has kinda limited the use of BG now? as very unlikely action is going to get taken between now and then?
Thanks

[webberg]

Is there a Big Group for De Graaf users of 2012-2015 arrangements? I think it was just a self-employed loan arrangement so should be pretty common.
I am one of 4 contractors interested in joining. However i'm thinking the April CL has kinda limited the use of BG now? as very unlikely action is going to get taken between now and then?
Thanks

We have members who have used that arrangement. Not the most popular scheme by a long way.

April CL?

How has that limited BG?

[Finalwhistle]

We have members who have used that arrangement. Not the most popular scheme by a long way.

April CL?

How has that limited BG?

Apologies - April LC (loan charge)

I’m asking you whether it has an effect on BG or not? Does putting a time limitation conflict with what BG are trying to achieve?

A fellow contractor is speaking to you guys today about BG so will get the low down then. However he is probably newer to this than I am so I hope he asks the right questions!

Thanks

[webberg]

Apologies - April LC (loan charge)

I’m asking you whether it has an effect on BG or not? Does putting a time limitation conflict with what BG are trying to achieve?

A fellow contractor is speaking to you guys today about BG so will get the low down then. However he is probably newer to this than I am so I hope he asks the right questions!

Thanks

The DR Charge timing does not really impact what we're trying to do.

I'm not doubting your fellow contractors' ability to relay information to you accurately but as you've found, this is a complex area with lots of very detailed issues interacting with each other.

We have found that the ability of those whose skills lie outside tax tend to simplify matters, often to the extent that the explanations become incoherent to a listener - although often make sense to the first person in the Chinese whisper.

If you have questions, call or email us directly. There is a limit to what we will put here.