Iraqi Civil war now official and under way

[speling bee]

I am not here to defend Iran - my point is it is more democratic than most. You speak of human rights? what about Guantanamo bay, what about the UK rule of holding suspects without charge for long durations? You only look at things from one side and fail to see the other side. Such is the failure of most people who are puppets of the media.

Your failure is that you don't like Western governments so you underplay the flaws in their 'enemy'. It is entirely possible to see that they are all tulip. But if you think Iran is a good place, go over there.

Convert from Islam? Gay? Doesn't seem so good then, does it (and I have know Iranian asylum seeker in UK who fell into both those categories)?

[MicrosoftBob]

Seems reasonable that...

maybe not the sodomy bit but,...

They don't always kill them, sometimes they force them to have a sex change so the sodomy isn't possible

That's Irans idea of being benelovent

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Your failure is that you don't like Western governments so you underplay the flaws in their 'enemy'. It is entirely possible to see that they are all tulip. But if you think Iran is a good place, go over there.

Convert from Islam? Gay? Doesn't seem so good then, does it (and I have know Iranian asylum seeker in UK who fell into both those categories)?

Your problem is attempting to putting words into other mouths. I never said I don't like Western governments, I am just attempting to show a more balanced view to the world than the one you have been brainwashed with. There is good and bad in this country just like in Iran, the media may tell you that "Iran is pure evil" but those with minds know this is not the case. The UK has a good record on internal human rights but has a chummy relationship with the most disgraceful and immoral country known to mankind (Saudi Arabia). It refuses to even criticise a country which won't allow women to drive, funds terrorism with $Billions and has an awful human rights record. Yet here you are making out Iran is the evil one.

[speling bee]

Your problem is attempting to putting words into other mouths. I never said I don't like Western governments, I am just attempting to show a more balanced view to the world than the one you have been brainwashed with. There is good and bad in this country just like in Iran, the media may tell you that "Iran is pure evil" but those with minds know this is not the case. The UK has a good record on internal human rights but has a chummy relationship with the most disgraceful and immoral country known to mankind (Saudi Arabia). It refuses to even criticise a country which won't allow women to drive, funds terrorism with $Billions and has an awful human rights record. Yet here you are making out Iran is the evil one.

I didn't say Iran is the evil one (you wouldn't want to put words into my mouth), but it is a severely repressive country. Or do you think it is not a severely repressive country?

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

I didn't say Iran is the evil one (you wouldn't want to put words into my mouth), but it is a severely repressive country. Or do you think it is not a severely repressive country?

It certainly is NOT a severely repressive country, anybody who has been there or knows people who have been there will agree that this is pure propaganda.

[MicrosoftBob]

It certainly is NOT a severely repressive country, anybody who has been there or knows people who have been there will agree that this is pure propaganda.

So if you had a gay relative you'd be perfectly happy for them to emigrate to Iran with the risk they'd be hanged/stoned to death or forced to have a sex change ?

[speling bee]

It certainly is NOT a severely repressive country, anybody who has been there or knows people who have been there will agree that this is pure propaganda.

Even if you're gay or a convert from Islam or a woman who wants to walk in the street with her hair uncovered?

E.g. LGBT rights in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is the quote below:

a) untrue, or
b) true but not a sign of a severely repressive society?

Death penalty statistics 2013: country by country | World news | theguardian.com

The latest data shows a stark rise in the number of executions carried out in Iran and Iraq. Iraq saw a 30% increase in the number of people put to death, rising from 129 in 2012 to 169 in 2013. Although official figures for Iran report 369 executions (up from 314 in 2012) Amnesty state that credible sources report at least 335 additional executions, bringing the total to at least 704.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Even if you're gay or a convert from Islam or a woman who wants to walk in the street with her hair uncovered?

E.g. LGBT rights in Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is the quote below:

a) untrue, or
b) true but not a sign of a severely repressive society?

Death penalty statistics 2013: country by country | World news | theguardian.com

I was walking out of a train station and I saw a large group of naked men and women on cycles going past me. To me the idea that children and by standers are allowed to witness such a thing is more repressive than Iran requiring women to wear a small piece of cloth on their head.

LGBT is not so much an issue with the government as it is with society. Large amounts of Muslims and Christians view homosexuality as an evil thing and are opposed to it. There are countries in the West were homosexuality is viewed in a similar way. You may view that as repressive but equally you may view it as their culture (again it comes to the point of seeing the other side). If a culture values marriage, family, love for relatives and near ones etc. and is not as individualistic as this country then you can understand why they are opposed to homosexuality - the fact that their religion is so clear on the issue only adds to that.

[speling bee]

I was walking out of a train station and I saw a large group of naked men and women on cycles going past me. To me the idea that children and by standers are allowed to witness such a thing is more repressive than Iran requiring women to wear a small piece of cloth on their head.

LGBT is not so much an issue with the government as it is with society. Large amounts of Muslims and Christians view homosexuality as an evil thing and are opposed to it. There are countries in the West were homosexuality is viewed in a similar way. You may view that as repressive but equally you may view it as their culture (again it comes to the point of seeing the other side). If a culture values marriage, family, love for relatives and near ones etc. and is not as individualistic as this country then you can understand why they are opposed to homosexuality - the fact that their religion is so clear on the issue only adds to that.

You forgot the executions.

[SpontaneousOrder]

LGBT is not so much an issue with the government as it is with [Large amounts of Muslims and Christians]

They're the same thing. Always has been.

I was walking out of a train station and I saw a large group of naked men and women on cycles going past me. To me the idea that children and by standers are allowed to witness such a thing is more repressive than Iran requiring women to wear a small piece of cloth on their head.

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Large amounts of Muslims and Christians view homosexuality as an evil thing

Can I assume that you believe that the human body is an evil thing too? Something to be ashamed of and hide? Sounds very typically religiously repressive to me.