For a minute I thought I was reading the daily mash

[doodab]

But that is not what we mean when we say above average or better than average.

That is my point.

[speling bee]

That is my point.

Jolly good.

[vetran]

It is possible for all schools to be good when good is defined as better than the average of some unrelated set of data points, just the same as most houses are now more expensive than the average house price, if you measured the average in 1963.

The rating is based on an inspection which happens at a specific point, it will be compared to figures & measures historically. It could be above last years average whilst not being above this years unpublished average.

What Gove was trying to convey and failed was that by raising the average and pushing schools to become better than average all schools will improve and become good.

I tried to create an analogy that demonstrated how it was technically possible in a similar time scale but you guys try to be absurd.

This conversation seems a bit like saying to an elderly relative, yes if we use the bus now we have to use an Oyster card and the elder relative going on about not having a ticket all journey.

We could of course use previous measures which improved schools by closing the good ones and making the exams easier.

[vetran]

its also confused by the term 'good' as within education that is given to the school, the pupils performance is displayed in statistics such as the performance statistics.

You can be a 'Good' school without achieving above average exam results. You just need to show good progress.

If your student intake is well below average achievement and you raise them to just below average achievement you can still be 'good'.

This inspection report might help.

http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/provider/fi...urn/124051.pdf

Ofsted | Eton Park Junior School

these performance tables show a different picture

The Department for Education - Performance Tables - School Details

no my kids don't go to this school neither did I.

It was the school I know is in this state.

They are officially good but attainment is poor, review the statistics and make a few judgements why.

[speling bee]

its also confused by the term 'good' as within education that is given to the school, the pupils performance is displayed in statistics such as the performance statistics.

You can be a 'Good' school without achieving above average exam results. You just need to show good progress.

If your student intake is well below average achievement and you raise them to just below average achievement you can still be 'good'.

This inspection report might help.

http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/provider/fi...urn/124051.pdf

Ofsted | Eton Park Junior School

these performance tables show a different picture

The Department for Education - Performance Tables - School Details

no my kids don't go to this school neither did I.

It was the school I know is in this state.

They are officially good but attainment is poor, review the statistics and make a few judgements why.

Yes, yes. I'm sure you did very well to achieve just below average.

[vetran]

Yes, yes. I'm sure you did very well to achieve just below average.

ok so you lost the argument then?

So its insult time the recourse of the mental pygmy. well you lasted longer than SAS or old smeg.

[speling bee]

ok so you lost the argument then?

So its insult time the recourse of the mental pygmy. well you lasted longer than SAS or old smeg.

As long as we're all happy, then I'm happy.

[doodab]

The rating is based on an inspection which happens at a specific point, it will be compared to figures & measures historically. It could be above last years average whilst not being above this years unpublished average.

The term "average", however you define it, refers to a statistical property of a particular set of data. While it may be perfectly possible to define "good" in terms of the average of some set of data which excludes the points you are comparing to the average you need to be specific about the set of data you are using to compute the "average" in that case, and calling such a yardstick "the average" is at best misleading as it's obviously not the average of the data you are talking about.

In a nutshell, he was talking bollocks and so are you.

[speling bee]

The term "average", however you define it, refers to a statistical property of a particular set of data. While it may be perfectly possible to define "good" in terms of the average of some set of data which excludes the points you are comparing to the average you need to be specific about the set of data you are using to compute the "average" in that case, and calling such a yardstick "the average" is at best misleading as it's obviously not the average of the data you are talking about.

In a nutshell, he was talking bollocks and so are you.

It's only a game.

[vetran]

The term "average", however you define it, refers to a statistical property of a particular set of data. While it may be perfectly possible to define "good" in terms of the average of some set of data which excludes the points you are comparing to the average you need to be specific about the set of data you are using to compute the "average" in that case, and calling such a yardstick "the average" is at best misleading as it's obviously not the average of the data you are talking about.

In a nutshell, he was talking bollocks and so are you.

average: definition of average in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)

good: definition of good in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)

in a nutshell so are you.

I said it could happen if an improvement happened since the last figures were obtained.

The term good in this arena refers to the quality of the school not the achievement of the school.

I agreed it was a badly explained but wondered why spelling Bee is so fascinated and holds it up as a shining example of incompetence when its so obviously the questioner trying to be clever with words instead of doing something clever.