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[lilelvis2000]

Think the last paragraph in that BBC link says it all. What is racial prejudice?

It ought to be defined as dislike/distrust of groups or individuals purely based on race and regardless of their qualities. Unfortunately these days it is called racism when you merely want a lifestyle and culture of your own or have valid objections to consequences of excessive and uncontrolled immigration.

In the absence of real knowledge of an individual one cannot ignore proven problems within a group when making a decision. Seriously, if you were thinking of investing some money in a company and found out the CEO was Nigerian, would you not think twice? Sometimes "racism" against a group is no more than common sense.

That's a tick box on Due Diligence that I've not heard of. The 'check ethnicity of CEO' box. Maybe the co-op should have added that on to their list.

[doodab]

Interesting figures..though not entirely sure what those are based on.

Anyone would think 'hey wow, be worth living there' until you actually do and discover the place is a dump. Which is why I don't live there anymore.

Besides, DA declared me to be 'wealthy' - I'm no where near that. Mind you I still have those RMG shares.

The spread between the truly rich and everybody else is so wide now that even someone in the top 5% of earners is only earning about twice the median wage and has little chance of accumulating serious wealth without a great deal of luck. Calling them "the top 5%" makes them sound privileged but when you look at what they actually have they are much closer to the bottom than they are to the top.

BBC NEWS | Magazine | Just what is a big salary?

[MicrosoftBob]

That's a tick box on Due Diligence that I've not heard of. The 'check ethnicity of CEO' box. Maybe the co-op should have added that on to their list.

No that would be the 'check CEO doesn't snort coke' box

[MicrosoftBob]

Long term there won't be any help from the benefits system because ms doodab owns a couple of BTL properties that puts her well over the accumulated wealth threshold. She would basically have to sell those and live off the equity until it was gone before they will give her anything.

So she either lives of the rental income and lives more frugally or sells the btl and blows the money on booze, holidays and fast cars till her assets are down to the minimum

[xoggoth]

The 'check ethnicity of CEO' box

No, not just ethnicity. Anyone thinking of serious investment should do a full check on record of all directors of a company. However, if Nigerian comes up it would be sensible, not racist, to consider the realities. Just one report on the subject here:

Financial crime linked to Nigeria is a large and pressing problem for the British authorities,
Extensive anecdotal evidence suggests that a significant amount of financial crime in Britain is
linked to Nigeria. One police officer working on economic and specialist crime says so much
Nigeria-related corruption goes through London that he could employ his entire command to
deal with it.
...
The types of Nigeria-related financial crime are far too vast to be listed exhaustively, but certain
themes keep recurring. Even from a brief survey, it is clear both that the volume of crime is
large and that the systems for dealing with it are often inadequate.

https://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/d...igeria1106.pdf

It would be racist to exaggerate problems within a group but to downplay them simply because they are not white British is just an inverted racism, the idea, far too prevalent, that only the white British have any faults at all. We should not embrace fantasies about the nature of the third world and the sort of problems that real poverty causes.

[doodab]

So she either lives of the rental income and lives more frugally or sells the btl and blows the money on booze, holidays and fast cars till her assets are down to the minimum

Or gets a job to try and make up the shortfall.

[vetran]

section 3 identifies a number of problems that are commonly discussed with a few possible solutions. I don't like all of the solutions but I suppose they are better than ignoring the problems which seems to be current policy.

I would quite like discrimination and H&S compensation to be linked to criminal prosecution, so if you have been discriminated against then those that actively did it get put away, of course if they don't get put away you get the standard compensation. Saves government organisations just throwing money at it.

I have also seen people given £20k to go away in obviously bogus race discrimination cases.

Maternity leave is an issue, I have seen girls join a business knowing they are pregnant or actively trying. It means those that aren't are disadvantaged because they won't get hired..

[lilelvis2000]

No, not just ethnicity. Anyone thinking of serious investment should do a full check on record of all directors of a company. However, if Nigerian comes up it would be sensible, not racist, to consider the realities. Just one report on the subject here:



https://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/d...igeria1106.pdf

It would be racist to exaggerate problems within a group but to downplay them simply because they are not white British is just an inverted racism, the idea, far too prevalent, that only the white British have any faults at all. We should not embrace fantasies about the nature of the third world and the sort of problems that real poverty causes.

You are Nigel Farage's speech writer, can I claim my £5?

[lilelvis2000]

section 3 identifies a number of problems that are commonly discussed with a few possible solutions. I don't like all of the solutions but I suppose they are better than ignoring the problems which seems to be current policy.

I would quite like discrimination and H&S compensation to be linked to criminal prosecution, so if you have been discriminated against then those that actively did it get put away, of course if they don't get put away you get the standard compensation. Saves government organisations just throwing money at it.

I have also seen people given £20k to go away in obviously bogus race discrimination cases.

Maternity leave is an issue, I have seen girls join a business knowing they are pregnant or actively trying. It means those that aren't are disadvantaged because they won't get hired..

It seems the more laws in place, the more tulipe society gets. It shouldn't happen that way..but somehow by hook and by crook it does.

[doodab]

It seems the more laws in place, the more tulipe society gets. It shouldn't happen that way..but somehow by hook and by crook it does.

That's because we allow anything we don't explicitly prohibit, so we end up with a sort of fractal scamming around the laws that are there in new and creative ways until a new law is passed to close that particular loophole, then another springs up and so on. This is why it's seen as an Englishman's duty to live by the letter and not the spirit of the law.

If we banned everything that wasn't explicitly allowed instead we'd have a lot less laws but it would stifle innovation somewhat as people would have to wait for new laws to be passed before they could run whatever new scam they have dreamed up.

I also think the "them and us" separation between the political classes and the rest of the population is partly responsible as people don't respect new laws because of it. This is IMO less prevalent in countries that violently overthrew their ruling class and have a government of the people by the people.