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    #11
    Originally posted by xoggoth View Post
    Ah yes. Hundreds of young girls kidnapped, sold into slavery, raped and there should be balanced reporting, perhaps a bit about need to understand the Islamists' legitimate concerns that make them feel so threatened etc.
    I hope not; I don't think Boko Haram have any 'legitimate concerns'. But I think it is useful to understand why some (mostly) young men feel attracted to joining a group like that and then even attacking their own neighbours and people who were previously their friends, as is happening in northern Nigeria. I have my own theory which may be entirely wrong; uneducated, unemployed and rather thick young men who'd never pull a woman using their charm and good looks end up hating women because they're constantly rejected while living in an area with some of the most attractive women in the world. Some fugly dimwit like Abubakar Shekau is unlikely to attract a proud, statuesque Fulani beauty so he feels good in a radical sect that tells him women are merchandise who must obey his command. He ain't going to get his leg over any other way.
    And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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      #12
      Originally posted by xoggoth View Post
      Glad to see some in the area are taking a more realistic line. There is the obvious risk of vigilantism that innocents on the Muslim side may be killed too, but as far as the real Boko Haram bastards go, the more killed the better. Violence is sometimes necessary in the world.

      Nigeria schoolgirls kidnap:
      Most people in the north of Nigeria are muslims and most of them hate Boko Haram with a passion. Good to see locals standing up to this even though vigilantism's a very risky approach. It doesn´t surprise me though, seeing as I know the area and how most people there feel about this. They really have had enough of these bastards. Life´s not easy in that area as it is, but Boko Haram want to take away the one thing that gives a lot of people hope; education. Oh, and now people's daughters. Note how they didn't just gather up any girls from the street, but took girls who were at a reputable school and are likely to become the leaders, business owners and professionals of the future.
      And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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        #13
        Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
        Most people in the north of Nigeria are muslims and most of them hate Boko Haram with a passion. Good to see locals standing up to this even though vigilantism's a very risky approach. It doesn´t surprise me though, seeing as I know the area and how most people there feel about this. They really have had enough of these bastards. Life´s not easy in that area as it is, but Boko Haram want to take away the one thing that gives a lot of people hope; education. Oh, and now people's daughters. Note how they didn't just gather up any girls from the street, but took girls who were at a reputable school and are likely to become the leaders, business owners and professionals of the future.
        Any thoughts on this then. Hardly rogue terrorists.

        BBC News - Sudan woman faces death for apostasy
        But I discovered nothing else but depraved, excessive superstition. Pliny the younger

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          #14
          Originally posted by Gibbon View Post
          Any thoughts on this then. Hardly rogue terrorists.

          BBC News - Sudan woman faces death for apostasy
          Yes. That's about Sudan. I was talking about Nigeria. Different cultures, different ethnic mix, different language, different country, different interpretations of Islam, different history.

          You're in danger of falling into the single story trap, described here so eloquently by Nigerian author Chimamanda Adichie. Before you ask, yes I would.

          What Are The Dangers Of A Single Story? : NPR
          Last edited by Mich the Tester; 15 May 2014, 11:06.
          And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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            #15
            Who reads newspapers these days? I've not picked one up in years.

            I find news depressing. Plus, poor reporting and writing can give one an entirely false view of the world. And it does appear that newspapers now are heading for the lowest common denominator to gain share of an ever shrinking pie.

            I have doubts that my children will ever pickup a physical newspaper. Very likely to just skim whatever is online.

            Will save a lot of trees too.
            McCoy: "Medical men are trained in logic."
            Spock: "Trained? Judging from you, I would have guessed it was trial and error."

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              #16
              Originally posted by xoggoth View Post
              Ah yes. Hundreds of young girls kidnapped, sold into slavery, raped and there should be balanced reporting, perhaps a bit about need to understand the Islamists' legitimate concerns that make them feel so threatened etc.
              I objected to the "suppose it had been US girls kidnapped" bit. Should every Muslim be removed from the US?

              Personally I don't give a toss about the schoolgirls. If I could do something about it I would. Name me one thing that you or I can do to help them?

              When I become prime minister it will be very different.

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                #17
                Originally posted by lilelvis2000 View Post
                Who reads newspapers these days? I've not picked one up in years.

                I find news depressing. Plus, poor reporting and writing can give one an entirely false view of the world. And it does appear that newspapers now are heading for the lowest common denominator to gain share of an ever shrinking pie.

                I have doubts that my children will ever pickup a physical newspaper. Very likely to just skim whatever is online.

                Will save a lot of trees too.
                I doubt many here have read a physical newspaper in a while. Comics maybe.

                News is depressing. It is what sells.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post
                  I objected to the "suppose it had been US girls kidnapped" bit. Should every Muslim be removed from the US?

                  Personally I don't give a toss about the schoolgirls. If I could do something about it I would. Name me one thing that you or I can do to help them?

                  When I become prime minister it will be very different.
                  Plenty worse going on in other countries. What happened to the boys on the those schools - assuming there were some. Were they "recruited" into Boko Haram? These thugs also run a protection racket as well I seem to recall. A last gasp from a group being pushed into a corner. Send in the napalm and clear them all out.

                  Nigeria is one of those countries where life is tulip unless you are either an elite, a politician or a criminal. Wife deals with a lot of Nigerians and most would never return even for a visit.
                  McCoy: "Medical men are trained in logic."
                  Spock: "Trained? Judging from you, I would have guessed it was trial and error."

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
                    Yes. That's about Sudan. I was talking about Nigeria. Different cultures, different ethnic mix, different language, different country, different interpretations of Islam, different history.

                    You're in danger of falling into the single story trap, described here so eloquently by Nigerian author Chimamanda Adichie. Before you ask, yes I would.

                    What Are The Dangers Of A Single Story? : NPR
                    very well put, beautiful & funny lady as well. Liked the American Psycho line.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by lilelvis2000 View Post
                      Plenty worse going on in other countries. What happened to the boys on the those schools - assuming there were some.
                      It's a girls school.
                      And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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