UKIP will walk it?

[MicrosoftBob]

So you didn't vote?

The only way I could remove him would be by lethal means, I voted but knowing who ever I voted for would be ignored by the EU

[Mich the Tester]

I think that is the fundamental problem with British politics at the moment. People are looking to UKIP because they want an alternative to the big three and UKIP offers a compelling narrative with the EU as the villain. I don't agree with that picture, I think our problems lie closer to home, which is why I won't be voting for any of the others either.

Now, if a real domestic alternative were to come on the scene that would really shake things up.

The majority of UKIP supporters seem to be too stupid/ill informed to realise that UKIP is a party for right-wing extremists that are too dodgy (Neil Hamilton) or too right-wing for the Tory party (most of their donors and MEPs).

I'm afraid I find UKIP and the rest of the anti-EU, anti immigration parties in Europe really rather dull; the same old claptrap we get from the other bansturbators and miserablists except they have their own list of stuff they want to ban, regulate or tax. We have righties who want to ban stuff, lefties who want to tax stuff, middlies who want to regulate and license stuff to the point of making every little piece of adventurous human endeavour prohibitively expensive and procedural, all of them wishing to employ their legions of officious little pricks to dream up tulip like IR35 (yes we have the same bollox in NL), miserable old gits that want to stop tourists smoking a spliff, authoritarian tosspots who want to give the police paramilitary uniforms to make them look 'ard, and what's the alternative? UKIP with 'regulate migration' or 'ban gay marriage' (ooh whatever next if we legalise that, it's a slippery slope to legalising public badger buggering don't you know!) , the rather ironically named Dutch 'Freedom Party' who want to ban the koran and tax headscarves, the French national front who want to ban, well, brown folk. If that's an 'alternative' then the turd I've just dumped in the hotel bog is a priceless jewel that could decorate a Fabergé egg. It's ******* laughable to call them an alternative.

Every time there's an election I've looked at the programmes and the candidates hoping for a real alternative, namely the 'just sod off and leave us alone' party, and usually I've ended up voting for some conservative or classical liberal party for want of something better, and now we have Nigel Farage, a slightly comical but apparently harmless character leading a party full of bigoted old gits he's dragged out of a second rate bingo hall, pretending to be libertarian while actually adding nothing whatsoever to human freedom and not even turning up to work to defend the freedom of restaurant owners to pour olive oil into the jug of their choice.

No, sorry but UKIP are more of the same old officious, authoritarian crap and I'm not falling for their lies.

[darmstadt]

I'm afraid I find UKIP...Mich get rather wound up here

I think the upcoming Euro elections might be interesting. According to the majority of press reports it seems that nationalistic, anti-Eu, right wing parties are liable to get a lot of votes. I believe this will have one of at least two outcomes:

- it will wake up the Euro-bureaucrats to the fact that there is a real problem in the way that the EU is run and that changes/reforms need to be made which would be good and I am hoping will happen...
- these right wing politicians will slowly become the majority in the EU parliament and instead of slowly dismantling the power structure of the EU and possibly reverting back to the original mission statement they will instead let the power get to them and remember the last time right wingers were in power in Europe (and remember, a lot of these nationalist parties seem to like Putin as well) and these ones have been voted for...

[Brussels Slumdog]

So Helmet are you saying all trade with EU countries will stop if the UK pulls out?

No , but if UKIP becomes a majority in Parlement then the whole world would stop trading. There is no way that a predominant socialist europe , Latin America and Africa would continue business as usual with a right wing, racist government.

[Brussels Slumdog]

I think the upcoming Euro elections might be interesting. According to the majority of press reports it seems that nationalistic, anti-Eu, right wing parties are liable to get a lot of votes. I believe this will have one of at least two outcomes:

- it will wake up the Euro-bureaucrats to the fact that there is a real problem in the way that the EU is run and that changes/reforms need to be made which would be good and I am hoping will happen...
- these right wing politicians will slowly become the majority in the EU parliament and instead of slowly dismantling the power structure of the EU and possibly reverting back to the original mission statement they will instead let the power get to them and remember the last time right wingers were in power in Europe (and remember, a lot of these nationalist parties seem to like Putin as well) and these ones have been voted for...

The Nationalist Governments on the continent have more chance of changing europe than UKIP as they actual turn up in Parlement

[doodab]

It's ******* laughable to call them an alternative.

It is, but unfortunately a lot of people seem to see them as such, which says rather a lot about the state of politics.

[MicrosoftBob]

I think the upcoming Euro elections might be interesting. According to the majority of press reports it seems that nationalistic, anti-Eu, right wing parties are liable to get a lot of votes. I believe this will have one of at least two outcomes:

- it will wake up the Euro-bureaucrats to the fact that there is a real problem in the way that the EU is run and that changes/reforms need to be made which would be good and I am hoping will happen...
- these right wing politicians will slowly become the majority in the EU parliament and instead of slowly dismantling the power structure of the EU and possibly reverting back to the original mission statement they will instead let the power get to them and remember the last time right wingers were in power in Europe (and remember, a lot of these nationalist parties seem to like Putin as well) and these ones have been voted for...

Since the last people ruling Europe before the EU was the communist party and the national socialist workers party which right wing party could you be referring to ???

[DodgyAgent]

No , but if UKIP becomes a majority in Parlement then the whole world would stop trading. There is no way that a predominant socialist europe , Latin America and Africa would continue business as usual with a right wing, racist government.

That is interesting - Do you think they will sort out education and enable bigots like you to construct proper arguments and spell correctly? Or is it just easier to brand someone as racist?

[darmstadt]

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The point is that the EU parliament doesn't have any real power, the unelected commissioners and eurocrats do.

Well thats probably the biggest bunch of arse I've heard since an agent told me that they're only working for my best interests

In certain legislative areas, the European Parliament is requested to give its consent, as a special legislative procedure under Article 289(2) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU). The consent procedure gives Parliament the right of veto. Parliament's role is thus to approve or reject the legislative proposal without further amendments and the Council cannot overrule Parliament's opinion. Consent is also required as a non-legislative procedure when the Council is adopting certain international agreements.

Following the entry into force of the Lisbon Treaty, the European Parliament now shares the power to decide on the entire annual budget of the EU with the Council of the European Union and it has the final say.

The European Parliament has a range of supervisory and control powers. These allow it to exercise oversight over other institutions, to monitor the proper use of the EU budget and to ensure the correct implementation of EU law.

[petergriffin]

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The point is that the EU parliament doesn't have any real power, the unelected commissioners and eurocrats do.

Agree!

I'm strongly pro-EU but I think the EU should get rid of the EU Commission and the European Council and give more power to European Parliament.

UKIP and other Eu-sceptics blame the Treaty of Maastricht but it was actually the Treaty of Nice (2001) and the Treaty of Lisbon (2007) that fecked it.