More Farage wisdom

[darmstadt]

Who elected José Manuel Barroso and how can we as UK citizens remove him ?

He's elected by the European Parliament which in turn consists of the MEPs who we vote for, so if you want him out then you vote for an MEP who would noit vote for him (but not UKIP as they don't go to the chambers to vote!) Now how do you get rid of David Cameron?

[Mich the Tester]

Who elected José Manuel Barroso and how can we as UK citizens remove him ?

The European council elects him, and must consider the opinion of the European parliament. The European council is made up of the heads of government of EU states, as elected by their respective parliaments which were elected by the public of EU states.

[Old Greg]

Who elected José Manuel Barroso and how can we as UK citizens remove him ?

I agree. Can we get rid of the Queen on the same basis please?

[Gittins Gal]

Explain how its undemocratic (you'll find in a previous post how I've explained that its not really)? You bang on about unelected officials which is a populist stance thrown out by uneducated people which is patently untrue and and yet you won't bang on about the unelected officials (and businessmen) running your own country. If people got off of their arses and actually did some research instead of listening to the pub bore or reading tripe media then they might be quite surprised at what they find out.

Oh, the typical leftie smear tactic again. If you can't play the racism card, try the Little Englander pub bore trick instead.

You didn't read my post properly did you? Where did I mention democracy with respect to the European Commission and the European Parliament and the role of national governments with respect to these? I didn't.

I was referring to the appararent requirement to force member nations to repeatedly hold referenda until the right result is obtained. And this repetition isn't for the benefit of a changing population (as Mich erroneously points out) because the Irish ones were held one year apart.

And I also referred to the lies and subjugation that seem to have been involved to have got us to this ostensible point of no return. That is profoundly undemocratic.

I didn't once mention unelected officials and your suggestion that I do some research is laughable when it is plain that you didn't read my post and just came out with the stock response you use against all anti eu posts.

[Mich the Tester]

I agree. Can we get rid of the Queen on the same basis please?

Well, how about most prime ministers in Europe who were indirectly elected, as in elected by their repective parliaments? Why not hold two general elections, not just one to determine the seats in the house of commons, but another to decide which MP should be prime minister and another to decide which party(ies) should form a government, etcetera. We could hold elections very day!

[darmstadt]

Where's the quote where he mentioned black or yellow or brown immigration then ?

Sometimes I wish I was sasguru! Did I say he said 'black or yellow or brown immigration', he actually said 'I fear there is going to be a very big migratory wave from the Mediterranean...' which although I suspect he only means the European countries it could also mean all those North African countries along with Far Eastern and some East European but he did specifically say 'white working class' so what about the 'black working class' or won't they be affected by this wave of immigration? Or is that white working class are tradesmen and black working class are office cleaners and bus drivers? I think he needs to clarify what he means by that?

[Mich the Tester]

I was referring to the appararent requirement to force member nations to repeatedly hold referenda until the right result is obtained. And this repetition isn't for the benefit of a changing population (as Mich erroneously points out) because the Irish ones were held one year apart.

Well then it's up to the public to vote in the referenda, and if they really don't want something they can repeatedly vote against it. or do you somehow run out of 'no's or 'yes's after you've dealt them out? Were you given a limited collection of affirmatives and negatives at birth and told to be parsimonious in using them?

Honestly, this is really quite simple. It's a stupid repetitive process, but it's not difficult for the public to say 'no' some theoretically unlimited number of times.

[Platypus]

I'm watching the debate now.

I really really don't like Clegg. Shameless twisting of words verging on downright lies.

Dealing with him every day in government must drive Cameron to despair.

[Old Greg]

Well, how about most prime ministers in Europe who were indirectly elected, as in elected by their repective parliaments? Why not hold two general elections, not just one to determine the seats in the house of commons, but another to decide which MP should be prime minister and another to decide which party(ies) should form a government, etcetera. We could hold elections very day!

I disagree. A head of government who commands the confidence of the House of Parliament is a reasonably democratic way of going about things. It would be no good if they didn't command the confidence because how could they pass a Budget?

But as we have decided that the appointment of Barroso is too indirect to be democratic, we should definitely reform the way our head of state gains and holds office.

[MicrosoftBob]

I agree. Can we get rid of the Queen on the same basis please?

True, we are a constitutional monarchy not a democracy