Will the loony left rape your daughters?

[alluvial]

In my view, everyone, as has been repeatedly stated here, has the fundamental right to hold and express any opinion that they wish. A right, I might add that I believe has been eroded in recent years.

However, when that opinion moves to the active support of people that have performed objectional and morally repugnant acts, the promotion of the rights of same to continue with their activities and also the aiding of these people with their attempts to legitimise what they do and then to aid in their defence when they are rightly prosecuted for their actions, then they have gone beyond merely holding an opinion.

[vetran]

Your last sentence might be intended sarcastically but it actually demonstrates that we don't have a clue what attitudes will be prevalent in 30 years time.

well we can be reasonably sure that it will have a basis in Christian values and the conception of justice.


The point you are defending is Voltaire's about freedom of speech, he was also impressed by 'encouraging the others'. It was a different time and there were different values but he was also interested in virtue and self determination.

Each player must accept the cards life deals him or her: but once they are in hand, he or she alone must decide how to play the cards in order to win the game.

The safest course is to do nothing against one's conscience. With this secret, we can enjoy life and have no fear from death.

Burke had a good take on it:

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

So if we allow our politicians to do questionable things we will get questionable laws.

[OwlHoot]

Mich, I know you might think it irrelevant, but do you really think this "Harperson" jibe is worth your breath? It's a bit 1970s laddish, not really funny.

It's quite funny in passing, but more aptly spelled Harpyperson IMHO

[expat]

In my view, everyone, as has been repeatedly stated here, has the fundamental right to hold and express any opinion that they wish. A right, I might add that I believe has been eroded in recent years.

However, when that opinion moves to the active support of people that have performed objectional and morally repugnant acts, the promotion of the rights of same to continue with their activities and also the aiding of these people with their attempts to legitimise what they do and then to aid in their defence when they are rightly prosecuted for their actions, then they have gone beyond merely holding an opinion.

Let me be clear: are you actually accusing Harman of actively supporting objectionable and morally repugnant acts by members of PIE? Because I haven't seen any sign of that yet, certainly not in the Mail.

What you are doing is buying into the smear that the Mail hints at, without evidence.

[Bunk]

Did you actually read my posts?

To repeat, complicit in lobbying by PIE for lowering the age of consent to 10 years old. Her signature is on the bottom of the NCCL legal document setting out the case for this.

I don't think it is. That's a document written by PIE, not by the NCCL.

[MicrosoftBob]

It's quite funny in passing, but more aptly spelled Harpyperson IMHO

Harmboys has to be more appropriate now

[expat]

I don't think it is. That's a document written by PIE, not by the NCCL.

I'm impressed, an increasing number of people on here seem to be showing signs of being able to read and think for themselves.

[Mich the Tester]

I've just read the photographed documents on that Wail page and I can't see anything there encouraging, promoting or even sympathising with paedophilia or child abuse. There is some legal discussion about the boundaries of a law which could have opened people to prosecution for innocent acts like filming children in famine situations who happen to be nude and for the sake of news programs , making documentaries containing important information about child abuse, or people making holiday snaps of their kids. I can´t see anything there that supports lowering the age of consent either, in fact in the first paragraph they suggest raising the age at which photographers might be allowed to portray children in sexual situations, which is a rather vague term.

[Bunk]

I'm impressed, an increasing number of people on here seem to be showing signs of being able to read and think for themselves.

To be fair, the Mail do a bit of a bait and switch with the documents. They try to make it look like two documents (the second of which, does indeed have Harriet Harman's name at the bottom) are one and the same. They're not, but you have to read it carefully to make the distinction. Most people won't.

[darmstadt]

So the Daily 2+2=5 are at it once again by trying to smear someone through insinuation, pretty much like with Milliband's father. I can't wait for them to start doorstepping people...Mind you it does turn the rabid frothing Right into a knicker twisting orgy of moaning about the Left, which is always good for a laugh.