EU corruption "equivalent to the bloc's annual budget"

[Mich the Tester]

But how much control over the actions of the EU as a whole come from the EU Parliament?

Darmstadt's provided an answer to that, and still; whether MEPs have a lot of power or very little, one MEP has just as much power as another, therefore UKIP MEPs are just as responsible for the EU parliament's decisions as any other MEPs.

[Mich the Tester]

Good point.
Part of my motivation for supporting UKIP is because they are new blood. As a contractor I am naturally tory, but I feel that the current tory party have become complacent and corrupt.
UKIP have many of the policies of traditional tories, and the tories need a "spring clean".

...and you'll achieve that by gifting an election victory to Ed Miliband will you?

[KentPhilip]

Really?



So pretty much diddley squat...

Well yes if you take a majority of all of europe's MEP's then they will wield considerable power over the other EU institutions.
The problem is the UKIP MEPs in conjunction with other nations' eurosceptic MEPs are in the minority in the EU parliament, the latter being stuffed full of cental european surrender monkeys and eastern and southern europeans wanting to net receive money from the EU.

There is a phrase: "Democracy to the majority equals dictatorship to the minority"
Why should we be a minority in the EU parliament when we can be a majority in our own?

[KentPhilip]

Darmstadt's provided an answer to that, and still; whether MEPs have a lot of power or very little, one MEP has just as much power as another, therefore UKIP MEPs are just as responsible for the EU parliament's decisions as any other MEPs.

Collective responsibility is not quite the same as personal responsibility. If the EU parliament tries to do something and UKIP MEPs votes against it, you can hardly blame UKIP for the policy that is carried out if they are out-voted.

...and you'll achieve that by gifting an election victory to Ed Miliband will you?

UKIP are taking almost as many votes from Labour in the north and Lincolnshire - working class brits are not especially happy about their jobs being taken by sub-minimum wage eastern europeans.

[Mich the Tester]

Well yes if you take a majority of all of europe's MEP's then they will wield considerable power over the other EU institutions.
The problem is the UKIP MEPs in conjunction with other nations' eurosceptic MEPs are in the minority in the EU parliament, the latter being stuffed full of cental european surrender monkeys and eastern and southern europeans wanting to net receive money from the EU.

There is a phrase: "Democracy to the majority equals dictatorship to the minority"
Why should we be a minority in the EU parliament when we can be a majority in our own?

'The minority' doesn't exist. For any vote, there will be a majority, a minority or perhaps a tie. UKIP MEPs can choose to support or oppose a motion as they see fit, just as others can. Interesting that they opposed motions about saving money, and didn't turn up to oppose silly motions about olive oil bottles on restaurant tables, while other 'non-eurosceptic' parties were opposing them and needed UKIP and their chums to turn up to get ridiculous proposals off the table.

[Mich the Tester]

Collective responsibility is not quite the same as personal responsibility. If the EU parliament tries to do something and UKIP MEPs votes against it, you can hardly blame UKIP for the policy that is carried out if they are out-voted.

Indeed, but you can blame them when they can't even be arsed to turn up to work and do the f***ing job they've been elected to do and are paid by taxpayers like me and you to do, which is to vote and represent their constituents in the parliament.

[KentPhilip]

'The minority' doesn't exist. For any vote, there will be a majority, a minority or perhaps a tie. UKIP MEPs can choose to support or oppose a motion as they see fit, just as others can. Interesting that they opposed motions about saving money, and didn't turn up to oppose silly motions about olive oil bottles on restaurant tables, while other 'non-eurosceptic' parties were opposing them and needed UKIP and their chums to turn up to get ridiculous proposals off the table.

If they had turned up to the "olive oil" vote, do you think they would have won? I don't know the details, but I suspect the answer is no.
Had the answer been yes then I would have agreed with you.

Indeed, but you can blame them when they can't even be arsed to turn up to work and do the f***ing job they've been elected to do and are paid by taxpayers like me and you to do, which is to vote and represent their constituents in the parliament.

I voted for them to help get the UK out of the EU, and promote a more libertarian and small-state environment. I am very pleased with the job they are doing, and I suspect that most UKIP votes are too.


Well I would love to continue this chat, but there is a risk my client will not be pleased with the job I am doing at clientco, so I better get off line

[BlasterBates]

If the UKIP were to become the main governing party, it wouldn't surprise me if the UK would become riddled with corruption, just the impression from the UKIP MEP's.

That's the irony.

[Mich the Tester]

If they had turned up to the "olive oil" vote, do you think they would have won? I don't know the details, but I suspect the answer is no.
Had the answer been yes then I would have agreed with you.

If they had turned up and taken some of their chums from the other anti-EU parties with them instead of hanging around in the pub, they probably would have stopped it, yes.

[MicrosoftBob]

...and you'll achieve that by gifting an election victory to Ed Miliband will you?

Whereas if you vote for the tories you get a slighter less left wing party, some choice