Littlejohn sticks the boot into the fatties

[d000hg]

I'd be interested to know whether the second idea works in reducing drunkenness and disorder; if it does, why not?

I can see where the idea comes from. But some figures would be nice.

[mudskipper]

They can lose weight, but the point is until they do, they are legitimately disabled.

As with all addictions, it's not as easy as it sounds. Most very fat people have tried and failed numerous times.

[d000hg]

As with all addictions, it's not as easy as it sounds. Most very fat people have tried and failed numerous times.

I know, but I'm saying even with the "they can lose weight" argument, the fact is they are fat NOW.

[original PM]

thing is for me if you are fat n lazy now then giving you a free fat scooter and a blue badge is giving you no incentive to loose weight

in fact it is helping you not to loose weight by not making you do exercise.

people are often fat because they are lazy and for no other reason

giving them devices which helps them be lazy is not going to achieve a postive result.

[TheCyclingProgrammer]

As somebody has already pointed out, as crazy as it sounds if you are that obese that you have genuine mobility issues, then by that definition you are "disabled".

The thrust of his argument is that they brought it on themselves and it's their fault so they shouldn't be entitled to anything. How far do you want to take that argument? If you like extreme sports and have an accident whilst say, base jumping or parachuting, and end up crippled and in a wheelchair, under Littlejohn's regime would we say "no blue badge for you, you brought it on yourself"?

Typical Daily Mail nonsense...how many people are *that* obese that they can genuinely claim to have mobility issues anyway.

[original PM]

As somebody has already pointed out, as crazy as it sounds if you are that obese that you have genuine mobility issues, then by that definition you are "disabled".

The thrust of his argument is that they brought it on themselves and it's their fault so they shouldn't be entitled to anything. How far do you want to take that argument? If you like extreme sports and have an accident whilst say, base jumping or parachuting, and end up crippled and in a wheelchair, under Littlejohn's regime would we say "no blue badge for you, you brought it on yourself"?

Typical Daily Mail nonsense...how many people are *that* obese that they can genuinely claim to have mobility issues anyway.

Yes but the problem is you just have to get a bit fat go see your doctor who will then tell you you are obese (and you do not need to be that 'fat' to be clinically obese) and there you go a free fat scooter and a blue badge.

Now I have no problems if this also included free compulsory gym sessions and free compulsory low fat food.

Or ok you can have these for 1 year but you have to loose x stone as the country is not going to fund your obesity

however as it it just means you can park nearer to the entrance to Mcdonalds.

and to an extent you could argue similar for extreme sports people - you made that choice why should the tax payer pick up the bill?

[TheCyclingProgrammer]

and to an extent you could argue similar for extreme sports people - you made that choice why should the tax payer pick up the bill?

Because provision of health or health-related services on the basis of whether or not it was self-inflicted would be the start of a very slippery slope...where do you want to draw that line?

[mudskipper]

[d000hg]

thing is for me if you are fat n lazy now then giving you a free fat scooter and a blue badge is giving you no incentive to loose weight

in fact it is helping you not to loose weight by not making you do exercise.

people are often fat because they are lazy and for no other reason

giving them devices which helps them be lazy is not going to achieve a postive result.

Cars help lazy people be lazy. So do telephones you can order delivery pizza and internet you can order Tesco shopping.

You haven't answered the question - what DO you do with people who have got themselves in this state and cannot walk very far, etc? Without disabled badge, even getting to the hospital or gym might be difficult

[mudskipper]

Of course they could have had mobility issues, which in turn have led to them getting fat.