Ultimately, the only thing stopping ALL of our work being offshored is...

[suityou01]

Homoerotic suity worship

As much as I'd like to swap tall tales with a tedious socky I have other threads to attend to.

There's always Mumsnet.

HTH

[tomtomagain]

You can believe me or not. That's your choice.

Shame you couldn't stick to the topic and contribute rather than trying to turn it into a slanging match.

[suityou01]

You can believe me or not. That's your choice.

Shame you couldn't stick to the topic and contribute rather than trying to turn it into a slanging match.

Forum: General
All hope abandon ye who enter here. Seriously.

HTH

[original PM]

One of the main reasons I have found is that middle managment muppet who is way out of his/her depth in IT projects are more than happy to spit their dummy out, shout and generally be rude as ***** on the phone to Bob in Bangalore and Vlad in Romania

However face to face they simply do not have the skills or balls to work with equals who have an opinion and often more experience.

But yes the whole 'it's cheaper/better to offshore' point is being eroded as finally senior execs are waking up to what most IT professionals have known for years - IT is a legitimate profession and should be considered in the same breath as careers in Law, Accounting etc etc.

[suityou01]

One of the main reasons I have found is that middle managment muppet who is way out of his/her depth in IT projects are more than happy to spit their dummy out, shout and generally be rude as ***** on the phone to Bob in Bangalore and Vlad in Romania

However face to face they simply do not have the skills or balls to work with equals who have an opinion and often more experience.

But yes the whole 'it's cheaper/better to offshore' point is being eroded as finally senior execs are waking up to what most IT professionals have known for years - IT is a legitimate profession and should be considered in the same breath as careers in Law, Accounting etc etc.

Your not one of these cravat wearing design pattern types are you?

[original PM]

Your not one of these cravat wearing design pattern types are you?

erm nope!

are you?

[suityou01]

erm nope!

are you?

Certainly not. I'm a stuff doer. Can't sit around all day pondering pretty patterns.

[original PM]

it is possible to be a thinker and a doer you know.....

not always mutually exclusive

in fact having great ideas is fine but if you cannot take that idea and turn it into a reality it ain't worth jack

[suityou01]

it is possible to be a thinker and a doer you know.....

not always mutually exclusive

in fact having great ideas is fine but if you cannot take that idea and turn it into a reality it ain't worth jack

Like java devs?

[eek]

Certainly not. I'm a stuff doer. Can't sit around all day pondering pretty patterns.

No you need to annoy the client in such a way that they enforce a 1 month break while they get the systems back up and running again