2013 Bad year for Global warming

[BlasterBates]

Exactly Windfarms are monuments to a new religion, there is a vociferous minority who feel better because they're there, even though they do nothing to reduce CO2 emissions.

It's part of human nature to build things which have no utility other than to satisfy people's beliefs.

In a long distant future I can imagine archeologists puzzling over wind turbines and wondering what purpose they served, in the same way that they do over stone henge.

[pjclarke]

now BB has highlighted two diametrically opposed temperature records for this year.

Damn, I missed that. I only saw one in which this November was the warmest on the record, and another in which it was 'only' the third warmest, a difference less than one tenth the uncertainty in an individual measurement .....

[EternalOptimist]

Damn, I missed that. I only saw one in which this November was the warmest on the record, and another in which it was 'only' the third warmest, a difference less than one tenth the uncertainty in an individual measurement .....

lol

every single data point is either going in opposite directions, or is over .2 degrees different
which represents a whole decade of your fantasy warming

[original PM]

I think the only reason these muppets think we get global warming is because the friction heat generated from their ham shandies is upsetting all the measurements.

[pjclarke]

every single data point is either going in opposite directions, or is over .2 degrees different
which represents a whole decade of your fantasy warming

<Sigh> It doesn't get any better. Global temperature is expressed as an anomaly, that is, the difference from a baseline reading. These two datasets use different baselines so if you want to compare them you have to add an offset to one of them, from memory about 0.1C, do this, and the apparent 'disagreement' diminishes to within measurement uncertainty bounds.

The two datasets have different coverage and methodological choices, so are not going to be in lockstep every single month, over the long term... well

[EternalOptimist]

my point exactly.

different, results, different interpretations, different forecasts.
a fact for every occasion

'Oh priest, why are we SO punished ' - CAGW high priest - 'tis the will of CO2'
'Oh priest, why are we SO bountifulled ' - CAGW high priest - 'tis the will of CO2'

[pjclarke]

different, results, different interpretations, different forecasts.

Well, that's science for you. If every agency estimating global temperature gave exactly the same result, and a single forecast for all scenarios, it would no doubt be a huge conspiracy

a fact for every occasion

Like 'Hansen predicted a 20C rise in global temperature in the next 12 years'. That kinda fact?

[EternalOptimist]

nasa giss predicts an ice age
nasa giss predicts global warming


more like that kind of fact. a fact for every occasion

[BlasterBates]

This is how the global temperatures looked in 1975.



now note global temps increased from 0.4 degrees negative anomoly to 0.6 in 1940

Note the global temperature graph now:



Notice anything?

Like the disappearance of the 1940 0.6 warm anomaly?

[EternalOptimist]

no way.

you seem to be saying that they are fiddling the data.