Bring back John Major

[DodgyAgent]

All tractors are equal

Except "con" tractors are more equal than others

[Old Greg]

All tractors are equal

Except "con" tractors are more equal than others

Thank you for reminding us of why we keep you.

[Mich the Tester]

Thank you for reminding us of why we keep you in luxury.

ftfy

[stek]

The USSR was not socialist. HTH

USSR was Socialist OG, but that Socialism, which may well have been shrouded as clothed National Socialism, i.e. exactly the same as the fascism they fought against so desperately, was a journey on the road to true communism, which as we know never happened, and was ultimately doomed anyway. Every Soviet I knew said that. AtW might chip in....

I love socialism/communism, but I know it's not viable so long as greed and avarice rule in society, it will never work now. But, I can see a world where all it automated, a job is measure of respect, it's not that far off seeing as we can still prosper and still fund millions of dolies having their tellies with no jobs, sooner or later the realisation will be a job is for really clever people, the rest will just aspire.

A job will become a goal for any artisan, a mark of respect as above, the rest will live quite well off the automated Country-Ltd, that is the Gospel according the stek1961, and I'm not even lying...

[DodgyAgent]

ftfy

[Old Greg]

USSR was Socialist OG, but that Socialism, which may well have been shrouded as clothed National Socialism, i.e. exactly the same as the fascism they fought against so desperately, was a journey on the road to true communism, which as we know never happened, and was ultimately doomed anyway. Every Soviet I knew said that. AtW might chip in....

I love socialism/communism, but I know it's not viable so long as greed and avarice rule in society, it will never work now. But, I can see a world where all it automated, a job is measure of respect, it's not that far off seeing as we can still prosper and still fund millions of dolies having their tellies with no jobs, sooner or later the realisation will be a job is for really clever people, the rest will just aspire.

A job will become a goal for any artisan, a mark of respect as above, the rest will live quite well off the automated Country-Ltd, that is the Gospel according the stek1961, and I'm not even lying...

You haven't said why you think it was socialist.

[stek]

You haven't said why you think it was socialist.

It was part of an agenda to establish true communism, i.e. true equality amongst the proleteriat in the USSR, with the true removal of serfdom which we know still continued after the establishment is the USSR, and ultimately the demise of the Kulak and a new start, which at the tome and even now, can't and won't work.

Some sort of socialism could work, as has constantly in Scandinavian countries and occasionally in UK and Germany since WW2, but at that time USSR wasn't ready, and neither is it now, it was flawed, it failed, it cost lives and misery, but I still like the idea, gotta be more to like that fukin each over to make a profit?

Really? Am I so naive?

[Old Greg]

It was part of an agenda to establish true communism, i.e. true equality amongst the proleteriat in the USSR, with the true removal of serfdom which we know still continued after the establishment is the USSR, and ultimately the demise of the Kulak and a new start, which at the tome and even now, can't and won't work.

Some sort of socialism could work, as has constantly in Scandinavian countries and occasionally in UK and Germany since WW2, but at that time USSR wasn't ready, and neither is it now, it was flawed, it failed, it cost lives and misery, but I still like the idea, gotta be more to like that fukin each over to make a profit?

Really? Am I so naive?

I think you're incorrect in your analysis.

You seem to be saying that the USSR was part of an agenda to establish... (i.e. there was an intent to be socialist) and that therefore it was socialist. This does not follow logically and nor does history support it in the case of the USSR. I would say that the establishment of socialism requires the removal of the capitalist class from power and its replacement by the working class. The working class never achieved power in the USSR, either directly or via democratic delegates or representatives. So, who was is power in the USSR, and who critically therefore controlled the means of production and the output of those means? A newly established clique. Which is why I think the critique of 'state capitalism' is the closest description of the USSR.

[KentPhilip]

I love socialism/communism, but I know it's not viable so long as greed and avarice rule in society

Greed and avarice are dominant in human nature - it is the engine of darwinian evolution. There is no way a set of rules is able to eliminate its effect on society without destroying it.