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Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the abject worship of the state.
No Socialist Government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp, or violently-worded expressions of public discontent. -
Originally posted by Old Greg View PostYou are entirely missing the point of this debate. It is not about the EU (MTT is broadly pro-, I am anti-). It is about baiting the CUK cretins.
But then I think you're capable of understanding non-binary points of view, unlike some people.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View Postsince when was Macmillan a socialist
I know you are trying desperately to argue the point any way you can but Britain's political system did not allow for Socialism to run its true course. it almost did however when the UK was in the grip of the Trade Unions but thanks to Maggie your friends were kicked out.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostFirst point; yes, the UK government gives away benefits that it doesn't have to give under EU rules. The EU only stipulates equal access for citizens of member states to contribution based benefits, and even then only after people have paid into the system for some length of time. The UK has been stupid enough to remove the distinction of contribution based and non-contribution based benefits; that was a stupid thing to do and the EU has nothing to do with it. Blame Mr B Liar for that one, or the coalition for failing to change it (as yet).
Secondly, while I agree that socialists tend to like high taxes (although actually the top rate of income tax in China, Vietnam and Cuba is lower than in the UK), what's this about socialists inhibiting industrial activity? What were all those tractor factories about in the USSR? Well OK, yes, the tractors were perhaps so tulip they just got in the way of the farmers, but they made them.
Thirdly, no, there will be no 'regardless of debate'; there will be debate about this and it's only just getting started. Do not expect your ideas about the EU to go unchallenged by others. I don't expect my ideas to go unchallenged either.Comment
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Originally posted by Old Greg View PostThe USSR was not socialist. HTHAnd what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Originally posted by KentPhilip View PostWell that is a start I guess. But this would imply that Cameron is offering more benefits that he needs to under european rules. I find that hard to believe - he's a tory! (or he was one)
Just in case: Stop mass immigration from Bulgarian and Romanians in 2014, when EU restrictions on immigration are relaxed. - e-petitions
Is the UK benefits system more generous than those in other EU countries? The systems are very diverse, so comparisons are difficult.
In terms of total spending on social security per inhabitant, the UK does not rank highest. In the UK the figure for 2010 was nearly 8,000 euros (£6,660; $10,880), the EU statistics agency Eurostat reports. In France and Germany it was nearly 9,000 euros, while in Denmark and the Netherlands it was above 10,000. At the other end of the scale, spending in Bulgaria and Romania was below 2,000 euros.“Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.”Comment
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post
Thirdly, no, there will be no 'regardless of debate'; there will be debate about this and it's only just getting started. Do not expect your ideas about the EU to go unchallenged by others. I don't expect my ideas to go unchallenged either.
i.e. even if the EU was completely capitalistic I would still not be in favour of it because it is not needed.
All we need in Europe is an absence of controls. Laisse faire is the way to go.
I welcome debate - even from you MichComment
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Originally posted by darmstadt View PostAnd what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostOh OK. So where were the socialist tractor factories?Comment
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