Greed is Good!

[darmstadt]

Boris Johnson invokes Thatcher spirit with greed is good speech | Politics | The Guardian

so is Boris talking nonsense?

Yes, as always.

[vetran]

But I never mentioned "poverty". What has your point got to do with inequality?

It's quite clearly yes according to that though, isn't it. Picking two data points that "buck the trend" doesn't mean the trend doesn't exist. That the points are scattered about a bit simply indicates that like most real world phenomena there are other factors at play.

I'm saying that an excuse for criminality might be desperation caused by poverty, where that need isn't there then crime is a choice if you make the choice easier by increasing the risk of getting caught and the punishment worse then crime will go down.

There aren't enough points to prove anything to truly prove any trend, the subject is so diverse.The outer values make me suspect that there is more to it.

If you look at page 2 you notice a major city like New York is lower than the trend when the USA is so bad, now Mayor Giuliani didn't hand out cash or tax Wall Street Bankers he cut crime by hard policing.

[Old Greg]

I'm saying that an excuse for criminality might be desperation caused by poverty, where that need isn't there then crime is a choice if you make the choice easier by increasing the risk of getting caught and the punishment worse then crime will go down.

There aren't enough points to prove anything to truly prove any trend, the subject is so diverse.The outer values make me suspect that there is more to it.

If you look at page 2 you notice a major city like New York is lower than the trend when the USA is so bad, now Mayor Giuliani didn't hand out cash or tax Wall Street Bankers he cut crime by hard policing.

No he didn't.

Broken Windows: New Evidence from New York City and a Five-City Social Experiment by Bernard E. Harcourt, Jens Ludwig :: SSRN

[Zero Liability]

Boris Johnson invokes Thatcher spirit with greed is good speech | Politics | The Guardian

so is Boris talking sense?

For once, yes.

[AtW]

Boris is a cretin and therefore fully qualified to be a PM.

[No2politics]

Why bother? It wastes our time. Plus you lot hold us back. I think we should find humane ways of disposing of you, since you're worthless.
Sodium Pentothal Ok with you?

I often feel like this at current client co. at least they pay me to waste my time explaining things to thickos

[No2politics]

Yes you can. You'll just find a lot of people disagreeing with you because the evidence from scientific research isn't all that convincing.

I saw an interesting program with Michael Johnson who investigated the effect of slavery on black athletes performance. The idea is that since the slaves were shipped across the oceans in very poor conditions, only the strongest survived. Then, only the biggest And strongest were picked to be slaves. So selection of the fittest and strongest occurred over a few hundred years or whatever, resulting in blacks now having superior athletic abilities, and in some cases genetic hereditary conditions. That's the theory anyway

[Mich the Tester]

I saw an interesting program with Michael Johnson who investigated the effect of slavery on black athletes performance. The idea is that since the slaves were shipped across the oceans in very poor conditions, only the strongest survived. Then, only the biggest And strongest were picked to be slaves. So selection of the fittest and strongest occurred over a few hundred years or whatever, resulting in blacks now having superior athletic abilities, and in some cases genetic hereditary conditions. That's the theory anyway

Yes, it's one of the theories and it's certainly feasible, but very difficult to prove.

[sasguru]

There aren't enough points to prove anything to truly prove any trend, the subject is so diverse.The outer values make me suspect that there is more to it.

If you look at page 2 you notice a major city like New York is lower than the trend when the USA is so bad, now Mayor Giuliani didn't hand out cash or tax Wall Street Bankers he cut crime by hard policing.

If you want to analyse data, go and put the years in to learn how to do it properly.
Otherwise don't complain when we call you thick on the basis of evidence.
Like the naive post above.

[doodab]

I'm saying that an excuse for criminality might be desperation caused by poverty, where that need isn't there then crime is a choice if you make the choice easier by increasing the risk of getting caught and the punishment worse then crime will go down.

No one is saying that effective crime prevention has no effect, but the point is that all other things being equal, more inequality correlates with more crime.

There aren't enough points to prove anything to truly prove any trend, the subject is so diverse.The outer values make me suspect that there is more to it.

Of course there is "more to it", in the sense inequality isn't the only factor at play. In somewhere like the US these studies have been done on a county by county basis and multiple variables are considered and accounted for. There is quite enough data to identify the correlation.