Programmer Anarchy

[bobspud]

Oh, so you're at Orchestrade are you? Interesting. I'll give PB a call and have a chat about this situation you've pointed out. That's very worrying for us. Thanks for the heads up.

Not working with them. But I'm sure you probably do have the same issues if you are there. It's endemic.

When I did my A levels back in the day I had the highest marks in my year for my project work. It wasn't because I was the best coder, but because I wrote down what wanted to achieve and then I Hung the code off the comments. Not the other way round. I ended up with adequate code that was easy to read.

I met the best programmer in the school last year, he is a PC support guy for a health trust...

[Scrag Meister]

I am currently moving out of a 1 man system similar to Programmer Anarchy that has been working fine for the last year, and I now have 3 BAs, a programme Manager, a Dev Manager and a functional manager, fluttering around me while I do the f****** work.

I'm sure they could have managed with less support staff and given me the small raise I asked for back in September.

[doodab]

The other day I explained to one of the directors here that the many "issues" that float around on email are mostly symptoms of the chief to indian ratio. We have very few actual problems, just vast numbers of misunderstandings caused by too many people who need to have 5 meetings a day while they wait for us to finish what we're doing.

[aussielong]

Not working with them. But I'm sure you probably do have the same issues if you are there. It's endemic.

When I did my A levels back in the day I had the highest marks in my year for my project work. It wasn't because I was the best coder, but because I wrote down what wanted to achieve and then I Hung the code off the comments. Not the other way round. I ended up with adequate code that was easy to read.

I met the best programmer in the school last year, he is a PC support guy for a health trust...

Huh?

You damn BAs are all the same. Narrow view of the world and over inflated view of your contribution.

There's some much complexity involved in delivering working software that you idiots don't even see, it's a joke.

Your "career" is a task. You are a parasite. You will be exposed along with the bobs. For f@&k sake, how many BAs come from the actual BUSINESS. You are largely failed developers.

Now get back to fact gathering and lets leave the analysis to the men. All you are good for is Q&A with the users, because that is time consuming. And do me a favour, write it down verbatim , because you probably won't understand what they have told you in any useful depth. You are like bad journalists. You get in the way, add your own twist and confuse the issues.

[minestrone]

You think PMs, BAs and architects add much value in complex environments??? They add confusion and overheads.

This is true.

"I can't answer that I'm going to have to go back and ask the business"

"I can't answer that I'm going to have to go back and ask the developers"

...all fookin day long.

Best the business just turn up once a month and speak to a couple of developers about what they want and get told what they can realistically get rather than going through the 'process'.

[cojak]

Huh?

You damn BAs are all the same. Narrow view of the world and over inflated view of your contribution.

There's some much complexity involved in delivering working software that you idiots don't even see, it's a joke.

Your "career" is a task. You are a parasite. You will be exposed along with the bobs. For f@&k sake, how many BAs come from the actual BUSINESS. You are largely failed developers.

Now get back to fact gathering and lets leave the analysis to the men. All you are good for is Q&A with the users, because that is time consuming. And do me a favour, write it down verbatim , because you probably won't understand what they have told you in any useful depth. You are like bad journalists. You get in the way, add your own twist and confuse the issues.

Sorry, bobspud a BA? Where did that come from?

[bobspud]

I'm not a BA mate I am a wanky architect but I am a very ******* good one.

It doesn't take long to see how sure the average dickhead like you actually is of their own skills. When you drag them into a room and point out all the problems and ask them to recount how they designed their solution and to provide documentary evidence of their decisions...

It's normally quite entertaining from my side of the table.

Like shooting fish in a barrel half the time. The rest of it is spent sitting in meetings letting idiots like you tell the room that the latest ****up can be solved by just building an extra API to reference the missing data from some other place that has a bunch of firewalls in the way for good reason.

[minestrone]

I'm not a BA mate I am a wanky architect but I am a very ******* good one.

It doesn't take long to see how sure the average dickhead like you actually is of their own skills. When you drag them into a room and point out all the problems and ask them to recount how they designed their solution and to provide documentary evidence of their decisions...

It's normally quite entertaining from my side of the table.

Like shooting fish in a barrel half the time. The rest of it is spent sitting in meetings letting idiots like you tell the room that the latest ****up can be solved by just building an extra API to reference the missing data from some other place that has a bunch of firewalls in the way for good reason.

I have seen your crackpot ramblings before on here. In the "my GF wants a tablet" you kept screaming that anything other than a 900 quid apple laptop would be a failure.

I pity the poor fookers that have to deal with your inability to understand the most basic instruction.

[cojak]

He's winding you up bobspud.

(We both know we make good money out of what we do and it grinds his nadgers to see it...)

There crap archiects and BAs just as there are crap developers.

I mean, DevOps - they're just an abomination that EVERYONE hates...

[woohoo]

Let me get his straight, a room full of autistic developer types let loose on the business, should have a better outcome than in a properly managed environment?

Your comparing a room full of autistic developers with a properly managed environment? Would be better to compare a rounded development team with a properly managed environment or an autistic team with a bunch of self serving, empire building managers.

I did read up on a company that did this, they had grown from a small startup and had introduced too many layers. So they got rid of the non-tech managers/pm's and moved the technical ones back into development. It worked for them.

I think this approach can work for some companies but having a good organised PM has always removed a shed load of workload from my plate and allowed me to develop applications.