Recent immigrants to UK 'make net contribution'

[oscarose]

No you can't be sensible.

Aren't you proud to live in a society that offers hope to all-comers? Would you prefer we ran a closed society like Japan or be a bunch of racists like many Eastern European places? Mixing genes is good. Just look at Jes Ennis - a real flyer and a credit.

Very sensible I think.

[Mich the Tester]

I just pointed out he has had previous exposure.





Migration Flows of A8 and other EU Migrants to and from the UK | The Migration Observatory

Anyone who carries out studies on behalf of the government must surely know that he's likely to get the blame when things go differently. Spatial demographics is really quite complicated stuff; you can view migration patterns as a non-linear system, i.e. a system where the output is not directly proportional to the input. Small changes in circumstances or small inaccuracies in the data at the beginning can lead to very large changes in the results ten years down the line. Now, if Professor Dustmann is worth his salt, and at the moment I see no reason to doubt that, he'll have provided all sorts of caveats to show that his predictions were subject to a large number of variables, small and large. As it happened, a very large variable did not have the value that could reasonably have been expected when he carried out the studies, i.e. Germany and other rich northern European countries did not stick to the agreement to open their labour markets; that could make the results vary wildly from his predictions.

At the moment I think it's more likely that politicians are cherry picking what they call 'mistakes' in his study (which aren't actually mistakes IMO) to try and ridicule him; now why would they do that? Could it be a case of shifting the blame?

[Mich the Tester]

Just look at Jess Ennis

I do.

[Platypus]

Well it does mean benefits as the rents are so ridiculously low.

Compared to what?

Cost price, that's social housing

Market rate, that's greedy landlords

[vetran]

Aren't you proud to live in a society that offers hope to all-comers? Would you prefer we ran a closed society like Japan or be a bunch of racists like many Eastern European places? Mixing genes is good. Just look at Jes Ennis - a real flyer and a credit.

Very sensible I think.

There is a difference between running an open society and having population growth driven by mainly low contribution immigrants that keep the wages down or foster terrorism.

I'm all for equality and openness but being the only one not speaking Polish,Farsi or Punjabi etc in the street is scary.

[SueEllen]

There is a difference between running an open society and having population growth driven by mainly low contribution immigrants that keep the wages down or foster terrorism.

You mean like the Irish.

I'm all for equality and openness but being the only one not speaking Polish,Farsi or Punjabi etc in the street is scary.

You know you can learn - it helps at work especially in IT.

[vetran]

You mean like the Irish.

what about the Irish?

Northern Irish are already UK citizens so don't count in the discussion.

Most of the normal southern Irish I have met are lovely and work hard.

Not so keen on Irish travellers but its their criminal and antisocial behaviour that I dislike.

Oh you mean the troubles? Well we sort of brought that on ourselves but thankfully we bribed them with MP posts.

[Mich the Tester]

You mean like the Irish.


You know you can learn - it helps at work especially in IT.

Probably not a bad moment to learn Farsi. If Iran continues down the road of slowly opening up to the world it may well become a major economic power.

[vetran]

Probably not a bad moment to learn Farsi. If Iran continues down the road of slowly opening up to the world it may well become a major economic power.

Indeed, however it shouldn't be a mandatory part of life in the UK.

[darmstadt]

However if his report is totally factual then it pretty much buggers up the Mail and their ilk complaining about EU immigrants:

It said that over the same period, the non-EEA immigrants received public services and benefits worth £104 billion more, at 2011 prices, than they paid in taxes.

Their contributions, the report said, paid just over 86 per cent of the value of the services and benefits they received.

Over the same period, the EEA migrant population went up from under two million to 2.85million in 2011. But they contributed £8.8billion more to the Treasury than they received in services and benefits, meaning they paid 4 per cent more than they took.

As can be seen by the above quote, its the immigrants who don't come from the EU who apparently ponce on the state. This says as much about the government's immigration policy as it does about the lying liars. It has also been noted in other reports that the government figures doesn't take into account people like students or those who work here for a couple of years and then go home (this was proven in a report in Germany that many of the immigrants weren't in fact immigrants but people who came to work for periods at a time and then returned home.)