Immigration - social trouble on its way

[Joshua Hallelujah Booker]

There's me thinking it was because they were in the EU. Actually, given their awful current leaders and those stories of the far right groups, I'm beginning to wonder about the Poles too. As an atheist especially so, extreme Christians are as much a threat to secular freedom as extreme Islam.

But more than anything else, regardless of who or what religion, it's just the sheer numbers that ruin our quality of life. Every month that goes by there is more evidence of the ruination of the South East, fields and woods disappearing under more housing estates, every little gap being filled in between houses in what used to be pleasant villages. In a decade our immediate area is going to be spoiled by thousands more houses and a bypass. Maybe we should forget arguments about what religion newcomers are and agree on the much more important issue of what is happening to the quality of all our lives in return for no discernable benefit.

To repeat, as it seems difficult to get this obvious mathematical fact to sink in, one cannot raise the average standard of living by bringing in people who are at best average economic performers.

PS Oh darn! wrong persona again!

[Fungus]

There's me thinking ...

PS Oh darn! wrong persona again!

Wat you doin mon. An dere's mee tinking dat you eez a bruder, but you ees a white man playin at been a broder. Yo's an evil evil mon.

[Breaks out into a florid rendition of Ole Man River]

[Fungus]

FOAD. Now Eastern Europeans are anti-muslim. Everyone just talks about Poles everywhere, the massive Eastern European immigration blah blah

I have just some questions for you:

1. How many Eastern Europeans / Total number of emigrants in UK?
2. How many Eastern Europeans are staying on benefits, doing nowt all day long?
3. What are the crime statistics among Eastern Europeans in UK?
4. How are Eastern Europeans educated compared to other immigrants in UK?

I am not anti-muslim. I just want to apply the same logic, no matters religion, colour etc. A logic that doesn't apply when they judge asylum seeker applications, yeah?

Maybe Mr. Fungus can help us with some statistics...

Victor

That's the problem I can't really give anything but basic statistics, because this government have been so free and relaxed on this whole issue. The only statistic I do know is that about 250,000 Eastern Europeans have registered to work in the UK over the last few years, and some estimate that the true number of immigrants is twice that. The Migration Watch web site is worth visiting.

We know nothing about the education levels, or crime statistics. I suspect education levels are modest but better than UK chavs. Hence they will displace UK chavs. As for crime, well I suspect that Eastern European crime gangs will set up business here, as has happened in Israel. However, I have no evidence whatsoever for that assertion. We will see.

As for benefits, well by all accounts the Poles are hard working, and do not put a strain on welfare. From that point of view we need not worry.

My comment about some of the right wing Poles is based on the Polish mainstream political parties, which are expressing views that to our ears are rather extreme and right wing.

[Fungus]

Excuse me Mr Bigot, it may have passed you by but they have been allowed in because they joined the EU, funnily enough even the Polish Muslims. When Turkey joins the EU, they will be allowed in too, even the Turkish Christians.

I think he has a point in that no-one has objected to huge numbers of Poles, and yet we make it really difficult for Indians/Pakistanis to bring in relatives. Yeah okay it is due to EU rules, but still, the underlying attitude of many is "white, Christian, good", "swarthy, non-Christian, bad".

[Joshua Hallelujah Booker]

Pretty normal human reaction to prefer those most like oneself I would have thought. This instinct is called racism in white people, preserving one's cultural heritage anywhere else in the world.

Whatver one calls it, maybe a very sensible reaction to prefer those with whom one does not have major differences about the direction of society.

[mcquiggd]

My preference is for people who dont want to blow themselves up in the name of allah, murder their daughters for daring to want to choose who to marry, and don't set up no-go zones for 'whites'.

I don't mind Polish people - in fact I rather like the ones Iv'e met. But the sheer numbers are just frightening.

The prospect of Rumanians and Bulgarians being allowed to immediately travel to the UK is disastrous.

[xoggoth]

Fungus. My good but deluded friend Joshua is a poor and deeply devout black man from the Mississipi Delta, not a Jamaican crack dealer!

[Spartacus]

by all accounts the Poles are hard working, and do not put a strain on welfare.

The one currently painting my garage certainly is. He's doing it in half the time the local painter 'n' decorator wanted and for a quarter of the cost.

[mcquiggd]

Better pay him on time though, or else he'll move into your house.


I wonder what the equation is... do you really save by getting your shed painted for 50%, then paying more in tax for unemployment benefit, more schools, hospitals, roads, and police?

Somehow, I doubt it.

[xoggoth]

You hit the nail on the head McQ. It's a form of artificial subsidy as much as propping up British Leyland ever was. It takes market forces out of the equation, allowing bosses to make profits on businesses which would otherwise be unprofitable and effectively fossilising our commerce rather than forcing it to move on to more viable enterprises.