Why the poor don't move

[Goatfell]

it is a good point as we move towards more and more automation of low level tasks (and pretty much all of the projects I am on at the moment are looking to drive down costs by a reduction in head count caused by automation) there are going to be less and less jobs available for the less academically gifted.

I am not sure where it will end either but it depends on whether the relevant authorities are noting this now and chaning education to keep up.

Having said all of that - if you are too lazy to work hard at school then you are always going to be a lazy fe<ker as you get older and expect someone else to pay for it all.

Only solution is to remove handouts and let the doleite generations die off

Unfortunately the first part of your post contradicts the second.
There will always be drawers of water and hewers of wood, and in many cases no amount of education is going to make them computational fluid dynamic analysts.

I started off in "ye olde" heavy industrials and despite their other problems, there were jobs there for everyone, from accountants and chemists, through skilled trades, to the women in the canteen and the guys who swept up.
Evenstreet sweepers today have to be capable of upskilling to a mobile vacuum cleaner rather than pushing a brush.

There should be government intervention, not just through regional development, but through a properly structured economic policy that is "inclusive" (pah!, wash my mouth out). Many of the societal problems were caused by government policy, is it too much to ask that they repair the damage done in the past?

[original PM]

I suppose the thing it boils right down to is - are you willing to live you life in a manner which does not include seeing not working as an option

in essence these people who live in places with no jobs should move - in much the same way as for thousands of years man roamed from place to place to find the best resources.

The fact that the jobs dissapeared 30 years ago due to the government is right now neither here nor there - it happened - you have to move on to keep up

[original PM]

Unfortunately the first part of your post contradicts the second.
There will always be drawers of water and hewers of wood, and in many cases no amount of education is going to make them computational fluid dynamic analysts.

Stuff

But if we no longer need drawers of water or hewers of wood - or diggers of coal then if you are a drawer, hewer or digger then expect to starve to death or learn a new skill

but sitting in an ivory tower moaning their are no jobs for the above mentioned types of people is not going to make jobs magically appear.

[Goatfell]

But if we no longer need drawers of water or hewers of wood - or diggers of coal then if you are a drawer, hewer or digger then expect to starve to death or learn a new skill

but sitting in an ivory tower moaning their are no jobs for the above mentioned types of people is not going to make jobs magically appear.

But we still use coal, our manufactured goods are imported on ships made of steel, so those jobs still exist - just not in this country to any great extent. That was my point, some people, not all, but many, can't learn the skills required in today's workplace.

As for starving to death, remember that when Wipro et al price you out of the job market. . .

[original PM]

Yes well fingers crossed I will be able to keep updating my skills to stay ahead of the baying mob.

You never know maybe once I was a hewer of wood - and now I do other things as jobs for wood hewers seemed to become few and far between..

But the problem is how do we address this issue - I am more than happy to try to help people - but only if they are also willing to try to help themselves - and that in many cases I fail to see.

[alluvial]

But if we no longer need drawers of water or hewers of wood - or diggers of coal then if you are a drawer, hewer or digger then expect to starve to death or learn a new skill

but sitting in an ivory tower moaning their are no jobs for the above mentioned types of people is not going to make jobs magically appear.

All easy enough to do for the majority of posters on this board who in general will have a decent education, above average intelligence and the ability to learn new skills and adapt. But get out there into the real world and you'll find that a bloody big proportion of the workforce are just hewers or drawers or sweepers or just suited to simple repetitive tasks. These are the sort of people that make up a major part of the unemployed population. What sort of new skill do you suggest they learn.

I suppose the thing it boils right down to is - are you willing to live you life in a manner which does not include seeing not working as an option

in essence these people who live in places with no jobs should move - in much the same way as for thousands of years man roamed from place to place to find the best resources.

The fact that the jobs dissapeared 30 years ago due to the government is right now neither here nor there - it happened - you have to move on to keep up

So they should move but there are no jobs, just where should they move to?

[Platypus]

So they should move but there are no jobs, just where should they move to?

Away with you and your fancy pants logic!

[alluvial]

Away with you and your fancy pants logic!

[VectraMan]

But we still use coal, our manufactured goods are imported on ships made of steel, so those jobs still exist - just not in this country to any great extent. That was my point, some people, not all, but many, can't learn the skills required in today's workplace..

Except there wouldn't be a market for those things if they were much more expensive due to having to use British made ships, made from British steel using British coal.

I suppose an interesting question is if those mines could be reopened , would the area return to prosperity? Would the mines be able to find enough of a workforce willing to give up their easy life as doleys and going to the pub to work long dark miserable days doing hard labour in the bowels of the earth for not much more? I suspect not.

[original PM]

All easy enough to do for the majority of posters on this board who in general will have a decent education, above average intelligence and the ability to learn new skills and adapt. But get out there into the real world and you'll find that a bloody big proportion of the workforce are just hewers or drawers or sweepers or just suited to simple repetitive tasks. These are the sort of people that make up a major part of the unemployed population. What sort of new skill do you suggest they learn.


So they should move but there are no jobs, just where should they move to?

1) Well call centres are the new sweat shops or are you going to tell me they cannot use a telephone and a simply keyboard mouse interface? (call centre software is designed to be used by almost anyone)

2) Sorry to clarify the job in the mines in the valleys dissapeared 30 years ago - still sitting in the valleys now moaning about it is not really an option.