Women in Tech

[mudskipper]

Not met many male Midwives or primary school teachers maybe we should insist on equality in these professions first after all the Government has a direct control over these posts?

Yet the percentage of male headteachers is far higher than the percentage of male teachers. How strange.

But yes, absolutely, a girly environment is just as offputting to men wishing to enter female dominated professions, although I'm not sure you picked the best examples.

[Zippy]

Anyhow its simples, to get more women in tech just get some decent looking & socially capable men in ..

I think we might be entering in to the realms of fantasy here

[darmstadt]

Quite interesting, where I'm working quite a few of the real techie types are women and so are their managers, all of whom still perform techie roles when required. I've worked at quite a few places where there have been women who started at techies but moved into the PM side of things but are good at it because they did the job once themselves. Maybe its just the type of systems I work on as its not geekie PFY types...

[mudskipper]

I think we might be entering in to the realms of fantasy here

Hiow about a linkedin ad asking for beautiful people only?

[vetran]

Yet the percentage of male headteachers is far higher than the percentage of male teachers. How strange.

But yes, absolutely, a girly environment is just as offputting to men wishing to enter female dominated professions, although I'm not sure you picked the best examples.

I suspect its more than 'off putting' I sense there is a clear prejudice from both sides keeping the other sex out (some of the attitudes I have experienced towards the men over the last few days reminded me of Viz's Milli - Tant). Plus a genuine desire for some genders to do certain jobs.

Head teachers - As above I would suggest a certain amount of dead man's shoes causes the imbalance also a head teacher in a secondary school is more likely to be a man, in a primary it will be a woman in my experience. Also genders tend to promote the same gender, they have more in common i.e. the Pizza & pint suggestion.

I just picked 'professionals' comparing shop workers with rocket scientists would have been confusing and condescending. In fairness both have been taken up as causes by the government.

Found this quite interesting

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/la...loyment-tables

EMP08

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/la...able-emp08.xls

shows whole areas where there are massive imbalances, admin & secretarial its 3 times more likely to be female, skilled trades ten times more likely to be male.

Now is that because men don't like doing paperwork or because women aren't interested in metalwork? I'm sure its more complicated.

Or that traditionally values predicated a suitable profession. My wife was taught typing at school, (her parents didn't expect her to do anything special for a career which is a pity she was clever enough to marry me ) and suggested our eldest who will probably be in the top group for everything should take typing, the careers adviser tried not to laugh.

[Dominic Connor]

I have observed a correlation between women who work in IT and women who drink pints.

Most of the IT laydees I know drink pints in the pub. Very few of the non IT ladies I know drink pints (I honestly can't think of any, but I'm sure I must know some).

So, to get women into IT, get them drinking pints.

(There is a serious point somewhere in this post I think)

Yes there is, women network less than men and it hurts their careers. I'm not saying every pint I sup somehow makes me richer but I have got work that way and sometimes it has come when I needed to find it.

I've also hired from people I know from the pub, it works both ways.

[vetran]

Quite interesting, where I'm working quite a few of the real techie types are women and so are their managers, all of whom still perform techie roles when required. I've worked at quite a few places where there have been women who started at techies but moved into the PM side of things but are good at it because they did the job once themselves. Maybe its just the type of systems I work on as its not geekie PFY types...

or the original management were female computer operators who broke out and took over? They have fostered a culture of hiring good people regardless and tip towards women because they fit the mould?

[Dominic Connor]

Head teachers - As above I would suggest a certain amount of dead man's shoes causes the imbalance also a head teacher in a secondary school is more likely to be a man, in a primary it will be a woman in my experience.

Something I've observed in male primary teachers is that they are crap, because there's a "shortage" of men willing and able to do it and there is a perceived need for "male influences", so schools accept a lower standard and as a recruiter I am seeing the same thing happening in IT, managers have been bugged by HR to "interview more women", even though in the sector I work in they almost don't exist at all.

[TheFaQQer]

Yet the percentage of male headteachers is far higher than the percentage of male teachers. How strange.

16% of primary school teachers are male. 30% of primary school heads are male.

Some 70% of primary heads are women and 38% are under the age of 39 – an increase of three percentage points on last year. But men are statistically more likely to be heads in primary schools than classroom teachers, suggesting that the relatively few men who work with younger children tend to be in senior management positions.

Linky

[original PM]

my kids reception class teacher is male

and also gay

how does that fit the demographic then?