IPv6 - A long time in coming, and never seems to arrive

[proggy]

Why would you want to run a mail server at home (most people wouldn't know how), pay electricity, backups etc when you can use gmail for free?

[b0redom]

Once IPv6 becomes ubiquitous, it seems to me there will be little advantage, besides a bit of free disk space, for people to continue using commercial networked mail servers such as Yahoo and Google, when they can easily host their own mail servers on home PCs with static IP addresses, and even send and receive encrypted mails using public key systems.

So could it be that the long-planned IPv6 rollout is being delayed/frustrated by security agencies and companies who don't want this development to occur?

Same applies to other cloud services - The whole cloud model could be scuppered, or severely curtailed, if people can readily access their personal cloud.

(Maybe this belongs more in Technical.)

The bold bit is the key. I also have a static IP and can't be bothered to set up a mail server with web access at home. Have you considered anti-spam, security, redundancy/backup etc?

It would be a PITA for even a techie to run their own solution. Are you seriously suggesting your folks, granny, kids could do it?

If the security services/big brother were interested in it at all, they'd be pushing hard for ipv6 as it would probably at least partially negate the - "It's my wireless router, but it could be anything, I do NAT and it's unsecured." defence.

Tin foil hats are that way though ->

[lilelvis2000]

YEah I must the only idiot that has setup my own e-mail server. Though it only handles e-mail within the office, everything else goes to the hosting server and I have a task that brings down e-mail from there (and other e-mail servers) every minute.

It as a serious PITA to setup..and having LDAP on top made it that much more complex. With odd scripts here and there. Then the necissity to run a virus scanner on the e-mails...I think it took me 3 months to get it right.

Then on to setting up backups.

But back to the OP...it seems from what I've read the UK ISPs simply aren't bothered to install the upgraded firmware/hardware to do it. They're probably waiting for the gov't to give a handout.

One benefit of IPv6 is your smartphone will have a true IP address and keep it where ever you are in the world. Same with laptop etc.. If you travel that means not having to alter firewall settings all the time.

[AtW]

If that's a serious answer, stop being glib and explain why not.

You want serious answer to question "So could it be that the long-planned IPv6 rollout is being delayed/frustrated by security agencies and companies who don't want this development to occur?"???

Might as well say that CUK Admin is against it on the grounds that it would be much harder to ban sockies by IP

What security agencies don't want is to see people using encryption 100% of the time using source masking tools like TOR.

[b0redom]

One benefit of IPv6 is your smartphone will have a true IP address and keep it where ever you are in the world. Same with laptop etc.. If you travel that means not having to alter firewall settings all the time.

Really? I've not looked into ipv6 in any depth, but doesn't it work along the same principles of subnetting and routing? Assuming it works like ipv4 I can't see if you drop a device with a 10.10.10.10 address in an 11.11.11.11 subnet how you'd expect the routing to work.

I would have thought that the IPs would still be dynamic, but there would just need to be less NATting etc?

[mudskipper]

I've got deja vu

[OwlHoot]

YEah I must the only idiot that has setup my own e-mail server. Though it only handles e-mail within the office, everything else goes to the hosting server and I have a task that brings down e-mail from there (and other e-mail servers) every minute.

It as a serious PITA to setup..and having LDAP on top made it that much more complex. With odd scripts here and there. Then the necissity to run a virus scanner on the e-mails...I think it took me 3 months to get it right.

Then on to setting up backups.

But back to the OP...it seems from what I've read the UK ISPs simply aren't bothered to install the upgraded firmware/hardware to do it. They're probably waiting for the gov't to give a handout.

One benefit of IPv6 is your smartphone will have a true IP address and keep it where ever you are in the world. Same with laptop etc.. If you travel that means not having to alter firewall settings all the time.

I entirely agree it's a complete mare to set up a home email server - I also tried, with some open source thing everyone swore by and found that it was more appropriate to be sworn at, with the dozens of arcane poorly-documented settings etc.

Never did get the perishing thing working properly, and had to slink back to Yahoo Mail with my tail between my legs.

You mention virus protection, but companies specializing in that are desperately casting around for killer apps to keep them viable, in the face of ever improving virus & Internet protection built into OSs such as Windows. So what if they were to incorporate a home networked email server as part of their Internet Protection package? Along with secure encrypted backups (including optional mutual encrypted offsite backups arranged with friends) and syncing to mobiles?

Once the benefits were explained, including no flashing ads, privacy from commercial and Government snooping, much better performance, and security from arbitrary storage space and time limits, a lot of even slightly savvy users would jump at the chance to sign up!

In a way, my original point can be paraphrased by saying that, from the standpoint of commercial providers and Government monitoring interests, networked storage and email systems etc, far from being the clouds perceived by end users, are actually more like readily accessible droplets, and their concern (I'd suggest) is the prospect of personal data migrating back to a throng of private statically addressed PCs where it will be far more inaccessible.

[suityou01]

I thought glib was de rigueur for General

Yes. And de rigeur is de rigeur for pretentious twats.

[suityou01]

Once IPv6 becomes ubiquitous, it seems to me there will be little advantage, besides a bit of free disk space, for people to continue using commercial networked mail servers such as Yahoo and Google, when they can easily host their own mail servers on home PCs with static IP addresses, and even send and receive encrypted mails using public key systems.

So could it be that the long-planned IPv6 rollout is being delayed/frustrated by security agencies and companies who don't want this development to occur?

Same applies to other cloud services - The whole cloud model could be scuppered, or severely curtailed, if people can readily access their personal cloud.

(Maybe this belongs more in Technical.)

Owleeeeeeeeeeeeeey

<canned laughter>

[smatty]

The IPv6 rollout is being frustrated mainly because it would require a huge amount of investment by telcos and carriers and they are a bunch of cheap barstewards.

That plus until it's no longer possible to get IP space in this country there are no particular drivers to change that will convince the people holding the budgets.