When you know its all going to go wrong and client wont listen....

[northernladuk]

Dont waste your time on this thread then!

Well where can I waste my time? Oh yes, on the other thread you started asking do you stay that this client or dump them from a new gig

[TheFaQQer]

Day rate. Not so much that - I aint comfortable working 20 hours - its just not a good idea.

Professional working day is not 20 hours.

Work what is professional, and nothing else.

As I suggested, I'd be booking things to do in the evenings - this is particularly important if you are working away, as many clients see that you don't live nearby and assume that you have nothing better to do, so you might as well work. When I was last in London, we did a Wednesday night theatre trip, plus CUK drinkies on Thursdays helped ensure that there were at least two days that stupid hours were impossible to work.

[psychocandy]

Professional working day is not 20 hours.

Work what is professional, and nothing else.

As I suggested, I'd be booking things to do in the evenings - this is particularly important if you are working away, as many clients see that you don't live nearby and assume that you have nothing better to do, so you might as well work. When I was last in London, we did a Wednesday night theatre trip, plus CUK drinkies on Thursdays helped ensure that there were at least two days that stupid hours were impossible to work.

Hmmm. On a regular basis yes. One off? Bit extra acceptable in my book (12 hours). But 20 hours is just not cool/safe etc.

Permies are treated much worse BTW.

[psychocandy]

Well where can I waste my time? Oh yes, on the other thread you started asking do you stay that this client or dump them from a new gig

OK. I feel bad now...

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[BlasterBates]

I would talk to the client, tell him you´re not prepared to do 20 hours, as you´ve done in the past, you won´t be working longer than 12 hours. It would be unreasonable for him to assume it´s part of the contract. Take it from there. Sometimes it´s better to let him get mad and then you can have an argument where you can tell him the contract is unacceptable and he´s in breach blah blah blah. Another alternative is to give notice now, which puts you in a much better frame of mind and do your best.

It´s best to have the discussion about the 20 hours before it goes t*ts up so the client at least has a possibility to plan for it.

[psychocandy]

I would talk to the client, tell him you´re not prepared to do 20 hours, as you´ve done in the past, you won´t be working longer than 12 hours. It would be unreasonable for him to assume it´s part of the contract. Take it from there. Sometimes it´s better to let him get mad and then you can have an argument where you can tell him the contract is unacceptable and he´s in breach blah blah blah. Another alternative is to give notice now, which puts you in a much better frame of mind and do your best.

It´s best to have the discussion about the 20 hours before it goes t*ts up so the client at least has a possibility to plan for it.

Best thing was last time I did it, the H&S guy had a go at me and told me not to do it again. But, PM seems to think H&S doesnt matter....

[northernladuk]

OK. I feel bad now...

Peppa Pigs puddle game is a lot better way to waste time - Peppa Pig | Peppa Pig games & videos | Create & learn with Peppa Pig | Nick Jr

At least I have some respect for Peppa Pig.

[herman_g]

IMO OP is not a contractor has never been a contractor never will be a contractor and gives all of us contractors a really bad name.

Maybe he only moans and whines on this forum ( and not constantly to his client ).

I somehow doubt it, though.

JMO.

[psychocandy]

IMO OP is not a contractor has never been a contractor never will be a contractor and gives all of us contractors a really bad name.

Maybe he only moans and whines on this forum ( and not constantly to his client ).

I somehow doubt it, though.

JMO.

Yeh Yeh whatever. And you're the expert are you?

Obviously, I dont whine to the client. Did I ever say that?

FFS - some of you need to chill out a bit? If we can't moan about things on a forum with other people in a similar situation then where can we?

[original PM]

the thing is the reason they will not budge on timescales is because somee big cheese will end up with egg on their face

and so you need to dig your heels in and say no - these people will not learn that other human beings are not just there to help them make more money and achieve goals.

but .....