Really very serious charges for Menezes officers

[Clog II The Avenger]

“Witness statements are notoriously off target, ask any copper.”

And same goes for the police. I have seen court cases where the police of twisted their stores for the convenience of a conviction only to see convictions overturned on appeal.

Another example of police lies is a minor incident last month whereby my friends car was stolen; we went to the police station at 11pm only to find the police totally uninterested. It took a couple of hours before the police reluctantly took a statement and the officer treated the victim like the guilty party. A week later he chased up to find out if there was any progress. The duty officer read what was on the screen and had been entered by the original police offer. It said that we had merely telephoned the police and not made a statement and not been into the police station. The entry went on to say that the car was taken by someone known by the owner and the owner will sort it out. All complete fabrication by the police. A complaint has now been made to the chief constable.

Trust the police? Never!

[bogeyman]

They're quick enough to bang up old ladies for not paying their council tax though...

Don't forget the TV licence dodgers! Vicious scum

[DaveB]

Seems I'm alone in being the only one who's had good experiences with the police.

Working at a University a few years back I worked with them to catch a guy who had been assaulting students on campus. I was involved because he had been conning others into letting him use their network accounts and had been downloading pr0n, which we had spotted. One of his victims then spotted him in an IT lab up to his usual tricks and contacted me. Quick call to the local station and we had 4 officers on site in 5 minutes. Nicked the guy on the spot. I gave a statement and later appeared in court as a witness. They guy was given 12 months suspended sentance and deported.

About 12 months ago one of the local village yobs chucked a brick though one of our upstairs windows. I managed to catch the little scrote will the other half called the police. By the time I got back to the house with the little git in tow the police were already there and nicked him on the spot for criminal damage.

4 Months ago car thieves nicked the number plates of my car to use on one they had stolen elsewhere. Reported to the police, statement taken etc.

A few weeks later got a call to say they had caught the thieves and recovered the plates and that I would get them back once the prosecution had been completed.

I have no problems with the police as far as I have had anything to do with them and they certainly get my overall support. I'm not condoning the Menezes incident, far from it. But it shouldnt be taken as an accurate portrayal of the police as a whole.

[NickIT]

Had the Americans not been "...dicking around in the Middle East.." there would have been no attack on the WTC.

There is no guarantee of that though.

[NickIT]

Seems I'm alone in being the only one who's had good experiences with the police.

Working at a University a few years back I worked with them to catch a guy who had been assaulting students on campus. I was involved because he had been conning others into letting him use their network accounts and had been downloading pr0n, which we had spotted. One of his victims then spotted him in an IT lab up to his usual tricks and contacted me. Quick call to the local station and we had 4 officers on site in 5 minutes. Nicked the guy on the spot. I gave a statement and later appeared in court as a witness. They guy was given 12 months suspended sentance and deported.

About 12 months ago one of the local village yobs chucked a brick though one of our upstairs windows. I managed to catch the little scrote will the other half called the police. By the time I got back to the house with the little git in tow the police were already there and nicked him on the spot for criminal damage.

4 Months ago car thieves nicked the number plates of my car to use on one they had stolen elsewhere. Reported to the police, statement taken etc.

A few weeks later got a call to say they had caught the thieves and recovered the plates and that I would get them back once the prosecution had been completed.

I have no problems with the police as far as I have had anything to do with them and they certainly get my overall support. I'm not condoning the Menezes incident, far from it. But it shouldnt be taken as an accurate portrayal of the police as a whole.

Some are good...some are bad.

At least you did not get the 'Community Police Support not Quite Coppers but like to Pretend' people attend your calls!

[bogeyman]

Seems I'm alone in being the only one who's had good experiences with the police.

Working at a University a few years back I worked with them to catch a guy who had been assaulting students on campus. I was involved because he had been conning others into letting him use their network accounts and had been downloading pr0n, which we had spotted. One of his victims then spotted him in an IT lab up to his usual tricks and contacted me. Quick call to the local station and we had 4 officers on site in 5 minutes. Nicked the guy on the spot. I gave a statement and later appeared in court as a witness. They guy was given 12 months suspended sentance and deported.

About 12 months ago one of the local village yobs chucked a brick though one of our upstairs windows. I managed to catch the little scrote will the other half called the police. By the time I got back to the house with the little git in tow the police were already there and nicked him on the spot for criminal damage.

4 Months ago car thieves nicked the number plates of my car to use on one they had stolen elsewhere. Reported to the police, statement taken etc.

A few weeks later got a call to say they had caught the thieves and recovered the plates and that I would get them back once the prosecution had been completed.

I have no problems with the police as far as I have had anything to do with them and they certainly get my overall support. I'm not condoning the Menezes incident, far from it. But it shouldnt be taken as an accurate portrayal of the police as a whole.

No I'm not knocking the police - the actual blokes on the ground. It's their politically motiovated Chief Constables and the policy makers that preside over the mess that I want up against the wall.

Mind you, the police (like the army) attracts certain types of gung-ho individuals with 'something to prove'. You can't deny that.

[BobTheCrate]

I maintain my belief our Police are still, just about, 2nd to none in the world.

But I believe their standards have been slipping for quite a while owing to political interference at every level.

As with so many of our public services, despite the rhetoric, the frontline are considered pawns by the all powerful management hierarchy.

Consultants, advisors, HR, Admin, all manner of useless f****** steering committees all take precedent over those who basically deliver.

Sir Ian Blair goes a long way toward personifying much of what is going wrong in the Police. He's more interested in the politics than the policing in yet another public service that is being subjected to evermore politicisation.

The result : sliding standards as sure as eggs are eggs whenever politicians run something. The powers increase as fast as the standards and integrity fall.

[DaveB]

No I'm not knocking the police - the actual blokes on the ground. It's their politically motiovated Chief Constables and the policy makers that preside over the mess that I want up against the wall.

Mind you, the police (like the army) attracts certain types of gung-ho individuals with 'something to prove'. You can't deny that.

Fair point, the brass at the top are defintely suspect.

Dont agree with you about the recruiting though. They'd much rather recruit someone who has seen a bit of the world and knows how it works than a gung-ho type who wants to lay down the law.

One thing to remember is that most of the time the Police arn't there to enforce the law, although they do when needed. They are there to protect the rest of us from ourselves and the random crap that society throws at us. Road accidents, one too many in the pub and cant get home, dealing with the crap the rest of us dont want to know about.

[Mailman]

Again, the witness statements you're relying upon were those taken by the Police immediately after the shooting (not before).

Pretty hard to get a witness statement BEFORE the police shot the illegal immegrant innit?

And no, the witness statements Im talking about were those collected by the BBC...not the police.

Mailman

[bogeyman]

I maintain my belief our Police are still, just about, 2nd to none in the world.

But I believe their standards have been slipping for quite a while owing to political interference at every level.

As with so many of our public services, despite the rhetoric, the frontline are considered pawns by the all powerful management hierarchy.

Consultants, advisors, HR, Admin, all manner of useless f****** steering committees all take precedent over those who basically deliver.

Sir Ian Blair goes a long way toward personifying much of what is going wrong in the Police. He's more interested in the politics than the policing in yet another public service that is being subjected to evermore politicisation.

The result : sliding standards as sure as eggs are eggs whenever politicians run something. The powers increase as fast as the standards and integrity fall.

In a nutshell Bob!

The Police 'service' like everything else, it's being politicised and over-managed.

Top brass with their eye on the prize don't care about the day-to-day grief that the men and women on the bottom rung have to deal with.

They are pushed and pulled from all directions, get little or no thanks for putting their safety on the line everyday, and are hated by a fairly large section of our wonderful population.

Who'd be a copper? Almost as thankless as being a school teacher.