Universal credit 'will destroy people'

[d000hg]

So do we accept then that these people will never work or contribute anything towards their own upkeep?

Many of them, yes. Someone in their 40s/50s who has been on the dole for decades and never had an education in the first place, is probably cheaper to keep on the dole than try to educate and find them a job!

[DodgyAgent]

Many of them, yes. Someone in their 40s/50s who has been on the dole for decades and never had an education in the first place, is probably cheaper to keep on the dole than try to educate and find them a job!

So bring back the workhouses then

[OwlHoot]

I found out today that this experiment was tried before a few decades ago and didn't work.

Generally those particularly in London who are able to get social housing are the particularly "vunerable" or more useless with money. That's due to the shortage of council and housing association properties in lots of boroughs means unless you get enough points due to being very vunerable you have to rent with a private landlord.

So the tenants will get their £3,000 for the rent that month and spend it on booze, fags and drugs. It will then take the councils/housing associations 8 months to evict them using the courts, which we pay for.

Once they are evicted because they are "vunerable" we have to pay for them to be put up in B&Bs.

WSS - It's all very well ranting on about how people should take responsibility for their money; but that's little less futile than saying the World would be a better place if everyone was nice to each other.

Paying monthly instead of weekly will make it irresistible for many to blow the loot in the first week one way or another (on necessities and otherwise) and then be reliant on loan sharks and/or fall further and further behind with the bills and rent. Crims must be rubbing their hands in glee at the Government's crass stupidity.

[original PM]

we have to make a change now to have any chance of making a difference in the next generation or so.

the main problem as always will be that labour will get in an change things back and so we will never get the 20-25 years we need where by living on benefits as removed as a career/life option.

[d000hg]

we have to make a change now to have any chance of making a difference in the next generation or so.

Surely it's entirely possible to manage multiple systems in parallel based on age - after all this happens with pensions and driving licenses and so on. Leave the older 'institutionalised' people on the current system, put the younger ones who have a chance on a more progressive system.

[VectraMan]

Paying monthly instead of weekly will make it irresistible for many to blow the loot in the first week one way or another (on necessities and otherwise) and then be reliant on loan sharks and/or fall further and further behind with the bills and rent. Crims must be rubbing their hands in glee at the Government's crass stupidity.

Which amounts to saying that those on benefits can't be considered legally responsible adults, and should be in state care. So, workhouses.

Which is somewhat unfair on the majority, who probably won't make a complete mess of it.

[AtW]

Amount of votes adults have should be directly related to amount of tax they paid minus benefits received in the previous period before voting point.

[d000hg]

Amount of votes adults have should be directly related to amount of tax they paid minus benefits received in the previous period before voting point.

They still haven't figured out democracy in Russia then?

[darmstadt]

So bring back the workhouses then

Could get a PFI in to do this and then outsource it, both management and inmates

[Gibbon]

So do we accept then that these people will never work or contribute anything towards their own upkeep?

Unfortunately yes. It's a product of urban developed societies as opposed to agricultural subsistence societies.The idle poor have always been a problem stretching back into antiquity hence the 'bread and circuses' quote.

As I said, it's in your interest to keep this underclass content otherwise you'll be living in gated communities and stocking up on guns.