Slaves

[Cowboy Bob]

Interesting topic of conversation, i find myself in a similar predicament. I am now one and a half weeks into a contract that is with computer people

I stopped reading as soon as you mentioned Computer People - personally I wouldn't touch them with yours...

[Orangutan]

[to which i would say, that's fine but would you castigate a permanent employee that decides they wish to switch to another role or employee the same way? They, after all, always get a notice period, why should we be different?]

um, because we are businesses providing a service ?

[Ardesco]

to which i would say, that's fine but would you castigate a permanent employee that decides they wish to switch to another role or employee the same way? They, after all, always get a notice period, why should we be different?

Because we aren't permie's, we are a business. You'll be asking for employment rights next.....

Seriously why are you even contracting in the first place, it's people like you who make life difficult for the rest of us.

[Euro-commuter]

> I do not expect to have to give them a notice clause that
> enables them to cut short their service. I do on the other hand
> want to be able to chuck them out if they are s***.

So in other words the truth of the matter is that the side with the money will have upper hand in negotiations and I doubt big companies are even keen to "negotiate" terms of the contracts they offer.

My view is that contracts should be even -- perhaps there is a need for a law stating simply that terms like that can't be uneven.

AtW do you ever stop feeling that your opinions should be imposed by the force of law?

Yes the side with the money will have the upper hand in negotiations. Where I come from we don't see that as a lack of regulation, we say that the man who pays the piper calls the tune.

[Euro-commuter]

Thus it has always been my policy and always will be when i see imbalanced termination clause's, of not signing. If they want me to "commit" they better be willing to do so to the same degree otherwise i am forced to question their "good faith"

I have never questioned an agent's "good faith" in all my years of contracting.

I have always simply assumed that they don't have any. It has worked for me.

[sasguru]

AtW do you ever stop feeling that your opinions should be imposed by the force of law?

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You can take the man out of the Soviet Union but you can't etc etc.

[M@H]

The "no notice" period "you can't leave" bit is to stop you leaving the job and making the agency look stupid, however you will doubtless find that the company you work for will be happy to entertain an informal negotiation with your line manager with regards to leaving. If the company is happy for you to leave (by negotation) after say 4 weeks of you giving notice then they can instruct the Agency that they no longer need your services therefore the bit on the other side of the contract kicks in and you have achieved what you needed to. In ALL contracts I have had in the last 3 years there has been a "no notice" bit on my side back to the agency (again so I don't make them look stupid to the client) but with an agreed oral contract that I can disucss and agree termination directly with my manager at the actual client company end. The client company won't want you there if you don't want to be, and it is not them putting in the "no notice" clause, there will be enough termination clauses between them and the agency to sink a battleship anyway in their own contractual agreement.

[SallyAnne]

That was a long paragraph!

[M@H]

That was a long paragraph!

This one is shorter

[The Farmer]

Whatever happened to Stehuk?

He liked writing the densest prose I've ever seen... never read much of it though.

He didn't like paragraphs either...

Now known as Sasguru

HTH