Why Thatcher is hated

[stek]

so how did she wrong you?

Typed loads but deleted it, I don't have a enough good argument, a woman is dead and I don't like saying it but I feel relief, quite why I have to analyse but for sure it's not because of mere political machinations....

[Jeff Maginty]

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[Peoplesoft bloke]

The problem with so many of you is that you do not know how to construct an argument. You do not know how to evidence a point. I have argued that your profession has been one of the main beneficiaries of Thatcherism and that you have exploited your high earning tax free(almost) privileged positions to build systems to put people out of work.

This is prize stuff. Where is your detailed "evidence" that Maggie directly made IT contracting both supremely wealthy in a way it wouldn't otherwise have been and a chief component in putting people out of work?

The fact is your "evidence" is just opinion founded on your narrow view of the world. You've never offered any evidence at all other than your own man down the pub rhetoric.

As plenty of others have eloquently pointed out at length and you have chosen to ignore; the version of history we'd have had without Thatcher is unknowable. It does seem likely that an explosion on IT systems would probably have occurred with or without Thatcher.

I can't see why you think that freelance working was some kind of unique creation of Thatcher, in IT or anywhere else - and again, those with personal experience have made this point.

You choose not to listen to anyone who doesn't agree with you and then dismiss them as hypocrites. You claim there's no evidence, but offer none yourself. You deal in cliches but dismiss anyone who disagrees for the same "offence".

I understand why you loved Thatcherism so much.

[stek]

Shut t. f. up, fools!

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For the record, I respect what Lady Thatcher achieved and I feel sad that she has now passed away. She was a truly great leader. Best PM since Churchill himself.

R.I.P.

Churchill was a man?

[stek]

This is prize stuff. Where is your detailed "evidence" that Maggie directly made IT contracting both supremely wealthy in a way it wouldn't otherwise have been and a chief component in putting people out of work?

The fact is your "evidence" is just opinion founded on your narrow view of the world. You've never offered any evidence at all other than your own man down the pub rhetoric.

As plenty of others have eloquently pointed out at length and you have chosen to ignore; the version of history we'd have had without Thatcher is unknowable. It does seem likely that an explosion on IT systems would probably have occurred with or without Thatcher.

I can't see why you think that freelance working was some kind of unique creation of Thatcher, in IT or anywhere else - and again, those with personal experience have made this point.

You choose not to listen to anyone who doesn't agree with you and then dismiss them as hypocrites. You claim there's no evidence, but offer none yourself. You deal in cliches but dismiss anyone who disagrees for the same "offence".

I understand why you loved Thatcherism so much.

Didn't the Tories bring in the Agencies Act 1979 that made the likes of DA considerably richer than us?

[doodab]

That is a pathetic answer. It is a cliche that you hope cannot be challenged. Now you tell us why and how Thatcher could have done things differently. Tell us how the Unions would have been prepared to compromise and agreed reforms. Tell us why Unions would have agreed to reforms when they refused to do so under previous labour governments. Put your brain to work and research the answer and show us that behind that cliched bigotry there is in fact a man making an argument.

Do you know any words other than cliche?

Had she actually given a thought to what would become of the local economies and developed a strategy for what to do with these people when they no longer had jobs she might have implemented that and offered them a better option than striking. As it was the only options these people were considering were to take it lying down or put up a fight, and her brutalist tactics only served to polarize them and strengthen their resolve.

The simple fact is that she was prepared to spend millions and sacrifice lives to defend the Falklands but appears not to have been in the least bit concerned with the welfare of the 190,000 British citizens that worked in the mines, or their families and local communities, they were simply "casualties" in her war with the unions.

[DodgyAgent]

Typed loads but deleted it, I don't have a enough good argument, a woman is dead and I don't like saying it but I feel relief, quite why I have to analyse but for sure it's not because of mere political machinations....

Let me analyse it for you
She offends your liberal conscience but you are happy to take the money that her policies enabled you to earn. you were happy to enjoy the tax breaks and the freedom of not having to work within a Unionised workforce yet you make out that her policy of breaking the unions was morally wrong. You are uncomfortable because your liberal conscience does not like to see thousands and thousands of workers losing their jobs and being consigned to lives on benefits and without hope, yet you are perfectly comfortable with enriching yourself by building sophisticated IT systems that do nothing more than remove jobs.
You like then to think that you care about the less well off in society because it eases your conscience. Biting the hand that feeds you is a no cost sacrifice to show that you a "right on" caring liberal

Alternatively you could simply call yourself a hypocrite.

[mudskipper]

1) I haven't read the whole thread....
2) I've had my week's 'units' this evening....

I didn't like Thatcher. However, I think it was very sad and quite scary to see the physical and mental decline of a once strong lady and I wouldn't 'rejoice' at her death, however I'm not going to mourn her passing either. From my perspective, she destroyed British Industry, and what it has been replaced with is prosperity for the few, not for the many. My personal experience was my family's displacement after the closure of Chatham Dockyard. AFAIK, that was nothing to do with unions, or strikes. I don't know the cost efficiencies/inefficiencies, but it destroyed a community which certainly doesn't seem to me to be a cost-effective policy. Medway has never recovered. No doubt there was lots of room for improvements, but Thatcher's policy was to kill the patient to cure the disease. Being a wishy washy liberal who likes to see the best in everyone, I'd like to think she did what she thought was best, but she was also egotistical and arrogant - "the lady is not for turning" to me isn't a virtue.

[mudskipper]

Let me analyse it for you
She offends your liberal conscience but you are happy to take the money that her policies enabled you to earn. you were happy to enjoy the tax breaks and the freedom of not having to work within a Unionised workforce yet you make out that her policy of breaking the unions was morally wrong. You are uncomfortable because your liberal conscience does not like to see thousands and thousands of workers losing their jobs and being consigned to lives on benefits and without hope, yet you are perfectly comfortable with enriching yourself by building sophisticated IT systems that do nothing more than remove jobs.
You like then to think that you care about the less well off in society because it eases your conscience. Biting the hand that feeds you is a no cost sacrifice to show that you a "right on" caring liberal

Alternatively you could simply call yourself a hypocrite.

You really are a one track record DA. Everyone is fallible - even Thatcher - even you.

[amcdonald]

All this acrimony and bile hasn't come out of nowhere, look around, parties celebrating her demise, fear about a public funeral, no-one willing to risk a minutes silence. Not something we normally see in the UK....

I can't recall anything like this in my 50 years on this Earth, people even forgave Beckham's kick on Simeone and Ronaldo doing Rooney's temper to get him sent off in EC 2004 I think, all forgotten now.

It's real tangible venom and vitriol and like I say, either it's real or it's misguided. But I know what I believe.

Freedom for Tooting.

She didn't steal our pensions, she didn't try and destroy the working classes using mass immigration, she didn't bankrupt the country and leave a note to their sucessor going "there's no money left" having no shame in not only bankrupting the nation but giving our childrens children a debt mountain to repay, she didn't start illegal wars based on fabricated dossiers, she didn't arrest pensioners as terrorists for speaking out against unlike anyone foolish enough not to be awe of the messiah at Labour party conferences

There's lot you can't blame on Thatcher