Anyone watching Horizon?

[proggy]

I know

its how many times she screams and scratches your back during Dogging.


This is general its not serious!

I thought the title "General" meant threads not related to contracting, not "A place where no serious discussion is allowed"?

[sasguru]

TBH most of what has already been proved is comprehensible once you reach a certain ability to grasp abstract concepts and you have the necessary background and know what the jargon means. Applying some abstract maths to some little understood aspect of reality, or having the insight required to postulate and prove something as yet unproven, is a different ball game.

To get to that point you have to make sure you've really "comprehended" by solving the exercises in a "hard" analysis text first.
I'd settle for that. I haven't solved all in Spivak, but when I do a hard one, it's a high.

Maybe it's easier if you have a maths degree. My first degree was engineering, when I look at one of my engineering maths books after say, Spivak, they look like a piece of piss. It's all relative I suppose.

[OwlHoot]

Epsilon-delta was quite early in 'Analysis 1' in the 2nd year.

TBH most of what has already been proved is comprehensible once you reach a certain ability to grasp abstract concepts and you have the necessary background and know what the jargon means. Applying some abstract maths to some little understood aspect of reality, or having the insight required to postulate and prove something as yet unproven, is a different ball game.

True, but Sas seemed to be making a big deal of the contrast between "calculus" (limiting tangents etc, as taught at A level) and "analysis" (starting with epsilon-delta, as introduced at the beginning of an undergrad maths course). But obviously there are loads of other aspects of modern analysis, such as measure theory and functional analysis.

[doodab]

To get to that point you have to make sure you've really "comprehended" by solving the exercises in a "hard" analysis text first.
I'd settle for that. I haven't solved all in Spivak, but when I do a hard one, it's a high.

Maybe it's easier if you have a maths degree. My first degree was engineering, when I look at one of my engineering maths books after say, Spivak, they look like a piece of piss. It's all relative I suppose.

Maybe it depends how you start. I covered Turing's halting problem proof, Godel and Cohen's independence of the continuum hypothesis proofs as part of my course, as well as the usual group theory, analysis and so on. So I did quite a lot of axiomatic prooving, but not so much in the way of application or solving of ODEs, PDEs and so on.

[sasguru]

True, but Sas seemed to be making a big deal of the contrast between "calculus" (limiting tangents etc, as taught at A level) and "analysis" (starting with epsilon-delta, as introduced at the beginning of an undergrad maths course). .

That'll be because there's a big contrast
FFS I didn't have you down as a blowhard.

[NotAllThere]

Explaining Big Data tonight.

Fascinating. I wish I was smart enough to be a Quant...

My son is considering it as a career. It's possible he's even smarter than my real-life persona (as opposed to the thick git I portray here). I might be smart enough for it, but I'm definitely far too lazy. He did Spivak when he was 16. I waited until 2nd year university. It's not really something that's difficult. The topology he's studying now seems rather more challenging.

[proggy]

With Math it's good to have a good grasp of both Pure and Applied. Would you prefer a brain surgeon who could talk for hours on the structure of the brain, but hadn't operated or someone with decades of operations but no idea on the theory, or one with both.

[sasguru]

My son is considering it as a career. It's possible he's even smarter than my real-life persona (as opposed to the thick git I portray here). I might be smart enough for it, but I'm definitely far too lazy. He did Spivak when he was 16. I waited until 2nd year university. It's not really something that's difficult. The topology he's studying now seems rather more challenging.

Lots of people "do" Spivak. Very few complete all the problems. Sorry I am a perfectionist and sometimes for me the perfect is the enemy of the excellent.

[vetran]

I thought the title "General" meant threads not related to contracting, not "A place where no serious discussion is allowed"?

was a gentle dig, you were starting to sound like an insufferable bore, I don't think "AssGuru Male Gigolo" could stand the competition.

[sasguru]

was a gentle dig, you were starting to sound like an insufferable bore, I don't think "AssGuru Male Gigolo" could stand the competition.

I think you're making the classic thicko mistake. What you don't understand is not necessarily boring.
HTH