The oncoming wave - we have no idea

[Support Monkey]

It may be true, but it's still a racist argument (assuming for a minute that "romanian" counts as a race). You're saying that somebody from Romania is more likely to be a criminal, therefore shouldn't be treated equally to people from other countries, even if that individual is a hard-working honest citizen. I don't know how you can deny that's a racist position. It's no different to saying that because more black men commit violent crimes in America, Barrack O'Bama should have been inelligible to be president, for example.

yes i am saying that and put that way your right it is racist so i apologies, clearly there will be romanians who will come and integrate the same as the polish and lithuanians but unfortunately romania is a very poor country with a larger percentage of people who have very little our benefits system supports people who have very little, they will come and use that system because they are allowed to due to the way our system works and the way it has been opened up to all, i can only assume you are happy to pay your tax towards paying for those who have put nothing in whether they be native or Immigrant

If you want to move to Australia can you just walk in and receive without giving, are they descriminating against people who are less skilled than others

[DodgyAgent]

I never said it was a fact. I just picked an extreme example of how classifying a person because of the statistics on other members of their race is stupid.

Fair enough but quoting statistics and laws of probability is not being racist. Racism creeps in when such facts are used to support certain conclusions.

[vetran]

A significant number of Poles return, most of them actually it´s in the statistics, so yes probably a million Poles have at some point come in, but a majority of them have returned. But you can´t get angry you see so what you do is say a million Poles have come to the Uk and then you can.

Gr8 fun getting angry.

A significant number are still here, the local primary school is filled with eastern europeans.

90% of new jobs were taken by people born abroad.

If you have a large number of unemployed, you pay significant benefits and you have incoming workers willing to work for less the incumbents you are headed for trouble.

Letting more in is not going to improve the economy in any significant way.

[The Spartan]

A significant number are still here, the local primary school is filled with eastern europeans.

90% of new jobs were taken by people born abroad.

If you have a large number of unemployed, you pay significant benefits and you have incoming workers willing to work for less the incumbents you are headed for trouble.

Letting more in is not going to improve the economy in any significant way.

You got that right, plus their children get a free education even though their parents have not yet contributed to the system and I think I read somewhere that they already need to find 250,000 more school places based on current demand

[sasguru]

yes i am saying that and put that way your right it is racist so i apologies, clearly there will be romanians who will come and integrate the same as the polish and lithuanians but unfortunately romania is a very poor country with a larger percentage of people who have very little our benefits system supports people who have very little, they will come and use that system because they are allowed to due to the way our system works and the way it has been opened up to all, i can only assume you are happy to pay your tax towards paying for those who have put nothing in whether they be native or Immigrant

If you want to move to Australia can you just walk in and receive without giving, are they descriminating against people who are less skilled than others

I'm hoping their coming might at least raise the level of spoken and written English in this country.

[VectraMan]

You got that right, plus their children get a free education even though their parents have not yet contributed to the system and I think I read somewhere that they already need to find 250,000 more school places based on current demand

If we're saying that children only get a free education if their parents have contributed to the system, then it won't be the immigrants that'll be the problem.

[vetran]

If we're saying that children only get a free education if their parents have contributed to the system, then it won't be the immigrants that'll be the problem.

so two wrongs make a right?

our home grown benefit scroungers / long term dependents are a different issue, but one which won't be solved if wages are kept down by cheap imported labour.

[The Spartan]

so two wrongs make a right?

our home grown benefit scroungers / long term dependents are a different issue, but one which won't be solved if wages are kept down by cheap imported labour.

^WHS and if there are already 10's or 100's of applicants per job, how is it going to help with more people flooding into the country looking for jobs?

At present they're currently looking at tightening up immigration here in Switzerland as it's big concern

[Support Monkey]

I'm hoping their coming might at least raise the level of spoken and written English in this country.

exactly, the last thing i want is a load more illiterates competing with me

[VectraMan]

Has anyone got any actual proof that immigration is costing jobs? Bearing in mind that we had record levels of employment in the last quarter:

BBC News - UK unemployment total falls to 2.5m

If you scroll down to the graph you'll see unemployment was consistently falling through the Labour years of mass immigration.