NHS could save billions replacing paper with really expensive machines....

[Mich the Tester]

No it isn't. Healthcare is a commodity, just like a car, an ipad, or food.

Yeah, sure. So if someone with an infectious disease isn't being treated but is infecting the rest of us, we'll just leave him to it.

[Robinho]

Yeah, sure. So if someone with an infectious disease isn't being treated but is infecting the rest of us, we'll just leave him to it.

I'm not sure how reflective of the issue this example is. Nice straw clutching tough.

[minestrone]

I appreciate that, but I think it's fair to say that a GP is unlikely to be up to date on the research on every patient's different condition, and, when the patient has gone to the trouble to find some mainstream research that they'd like to discuss, the GP could at least do the courtesy of explaining why she disagrees.

I think the problem is that you can find evidence to support just about any view, but in this case I was trying to find out what the reference range meant, and it's clear that 95% of people have a lower TSH than me. If she doesn't think that getting me to a place where 95% of people are may give me a chance of feeling better, I'd like to understand why. FWIW, if I was in the USA, my values would not be considered normal - they have a much lower upper limit. Things are rarely black and white, and they should be prepared to discuss stuff.

So you thought your 15 minutes of foogling trumps 5 years at medical school, 2 years in hospital wards and a further year as a trainee GP?

[formant]

So you thought your 15 minutes of foogling trumps 5 years at medical school, 2 years in hospital wards and a further year as a trainee GP?

Ah, so because the GP went through the standard educational path for their profession, as patients we should completely disregard all our physical symptoms once we're told things are fine. Because they're the experts, they must be right. Who are we to question that?

Sure.

[minestrone]

Ah, so because the GP went through the standard educational path for their profession, as patients we should completely disregard all our physical symptoms once we're told things are fine. Because they're the experts, they must be right. Who are we to question that?

Sure.

It is cretins like yourself that have seen measles cases spike in the last few years.

[vetran]

So you thought your 15 minutes of foogling trumps 5 years at medical school, 2 years in hospital wards and a further year as a trainee GP?

No but its a great way to get the symptoms described, also a little humility is always useful when trying to identify a root cause. Its annoying when users set up solutions that fall to pieces and they ask us to fix (our expertise and decades of education are obviously waste so when we said do it this way we didn't know what we were talking about) but we JFDI and do not consider ourselves above them.

So far we have a huge organisation that cannot get to appointments all the time, cannot effectively process feeding and regular maintenance properly saying 'Its too complicated mere mortals cannot understand the process'. I hear that all the time. Guess what? most people don't understand their own process and the higher up the tree they are the more arrogant they get about it.

We have had anecdotal evidence that GP's do misdiagnose (in a very serious way) every medical expert I have had take my blood pressure has seemed to be aware of the white coat effect.

[mudskipper]

So you thought your 15 minutes of foogling trumps 5 years at medical school, 2 years in hospital wards and a further year as a trainee GP?

Tradesmen must love you -

"You need a new boiler, Mr Minestrone. And a hot water tank too"

"Sure, just let me find my check book."

[minestrone]

People self diagnosing on the web is like fat people going shopping when they are starving.

[vetran]

It is cretins like yourself that have seen measles cases spike in the last few years.

No its failing to deal with public & substantiated challenge by a health professional, who was more highly qualified than most GP's, he put forward what seemed a reasonable argument against what was a cost reduction project.

The project was using a poorly tested vaccine COMBINATION. By a government that later handled things like Bird Flu vaccines so successfully (we found out that the supplier was a mate of the ministers and most vaccines were useless).

There appeared to be a credible link between evidence of infection probably caused by the vaccine and a debilitating disease that none of the highly qualified medical experts could cure or explain.

Was Dr. Andrew Wakefield Right After All? | Vactruth.com

The response to his objections was to run him out of town and remove the single injections.

Parents panicked and removed their children from the vaccination, private organisations imported incorrect single vaccines and helped the issue, I don't remember these companies later being closed for gross misconduct by BMA / NHS as they should have.

I suspect there is a link between MMR and autism just because they were so desperate to bury it, will it be the 90's Thalidomide scandal?

Will we be burning the bodies in fields as we did with the BSE farce - directly caused by the government.

My children had the MMR jab because the single jabs were made unavailable, they would have had the single jabs if I had the choice.

[minestrone]

No its failing to deal with public & substantiated challenge by a health professional, who was more highly qualified than most GP's, he put forward what seemed a reasonable argument against what was a cost reduction project.

The project was using a poorly tested vaccine COMBINATION. By a government that later handled things like Bird Flu vaccines so successfully (we found out that the supplier was a mate of the ministers and most vaccines were useless).

There appeared to be a credible link between evidence of infection probably caused by the vaccine and a debilitating disease that none of the highly qualified medical experts could cure or explain.

Was Dr. Andrew Wakefield Right After All? | Vactruth.com

The response to his objections was to run him out of town and remove the single injections.

Parents panicked and removed their children from the vaccination, private organisations imported incorrect single vaccines and helped the issue, I don't remember these companies later being closed for gross misconduct by BMA / NHS as they should have.

I suspect there is a link between MMR and autism just because they were so desperate to bury it, will it be the 90's Thalidomide scandal?

Will we be burning the bodies in fields as we did with the BSE farce - directly caused by the government.

My children had the MMR jab because the single jabs were made unavailable, they would have had the single jabs if I had the choice.

He was a fruit bat who bribed children to give blood samples at a birthday party and made up claims against a drug that was and has been proven to be safe based on his research done on 12 patients.

I still cannot believe that people are still arguing that MMR is not safe.