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Is Rugby turning a bit, erm...metrosexual?
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And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014 -
Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostA few would, but remember; many of today's players are trained professionally from about age 14 or 15, and not 20 or so as in the past. Also, there's a generational size difference that's quite noticeable, especially if you got used to being one of the bigger guys 20 years ago . Lomu is one matter, but Campese; I'm not sure, I don't think defences are fooled so easily now and Campese didn't have extraordinary speed and power to compensate.Yes, both would be good, but I don't think they'd be exceptional now. Sure, if you want to theorize Lomu being even taller, even heavier and even faster then he'd make a huge impact, but that's stretching it a bit too far. Campese would possibly be an outstanding sevens player though, maybe the best of all, where there's less importance attached to sheer strength and more importance attached to handling and agility.
Up to 18 rugby players are not that big nor are they bigger naturally than they were 20 years ago. Players like Ryan lamb, Owen farell and George Ford were skinny teenagers who have bulked up. Campese would have done the same. Campese had acceleration and had a natural ability to pick the right lines and move opponents around - these are qualities that made him stand out, and would enable him to create space and finish off tries in todays contemporary game.Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Postit's common sense that Lomu would not smash guys like Tuilagi,
Alesana Tuilagi = 117 kg, 6'1, Slower than 10.8.
No contest.
and as for Phil Vickery
Jonah Lomu puts Phil Vickery on his arse! - YouTubeComment
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Also I reckon the excessive gym work / training is actually hampering some players. Look at the wales v argentina game. The welsh players looked proper bulked up, like body-builders, whereas the pumas looked like, well, hairy rugby players. The extra weights sessions did not seem to add any value in the tackling or ability to get over the gain line. In fact the welsh backline looked a bit feeble.Keeping calm. Keeping invoicing.Comment
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostYou are trying to take yesterdays player and yesterdays training and practice standards and lift them into todays environment. Who is to say that Campese et al would have not started playing and training from age 14 or 15?.
Up to 18 rugby players are not that big nor are they bigger naturally than they were 20 years ago. Players like Ryan lamb, Owen farell and George Ford were skinny teenagers who have bulked up. Campese would have done the same. Campese had acceleration and had a natural ability to pick the right lines and move opponents around - these are qualities that made him stand out, and would enable him to create space and finish off tries in todays contemporary game.And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Originally posted by fckvwls View PostJonah Lomu = 120kg plus, 6'5, 100m in 10.8And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostHe might have run 10.8 but not when he was 120 kgs; possibly when he was somewhat lighter before bulking up, but if he ran 10.8 (which I doubt) then there's probably only two players who'd have caught him from behind and they are Nigel Walker and Patrice Lagisquet, and not the whole range of others in that vid.Comment
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