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Originally posted by speling bee View PostIt's so on since I formed my views on Paul I can barely remember where they originate.
But from memory... it always struck me that Paul took the teachings of Jesus - cast not the first stone, judge not etc. and stuck this whole gender and sexuality bulltulip on top, which is still getting people oppressed and even killed in some parts of the world.
Of course as always people have taken his teachings and distorted them to their own ends in order to make women subservient or of lower status, I don't think Paul can be blamed for this.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostI don't recall Paul teaching on sexuality. He does teach on marriage and gender roles quite a lot, and this clashes with our modern (Western) secular view that everyone has to be exactly able to do the same things regardless of gender, disability, or ability. It's very easy to read his teachings as denigrating women but I think he is simply teaching that men and women are different, which I agree with.
Of course as always people have taken his teachings and distorted them to their own ends in order to make women subservient or of lower status, I don't think Paul can be blamed for this.
Homosexuality in the New Testament - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe material prosperity of a nation is not an abiding possession; the deeds of its people are.
George Frederic Watts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postman's_ParkComment
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Sorry that one totally slipped my mind!
It's ambiguous whether Paul is being anti-gay in that verse. I heard a good argument recently (from a gay Christian) that he's really criticising their wanton lustfulness and easy sex... "they were so depraved they even did it with people of the same sex". The fact it talks about them leaving normal relationships suggests they are straight people having an orgy, more akin to men in boarding schools or prison.
But why would this be anti-Jesus? Jesus never said no other teaching but his words was valid. He was accused of subverting Judaism but only by those trying to pin crimes on him to get him in trouble. Hence Pilate wondering what exactly Jesus had done.Last edited by d000hg; 25 October 2012, 17:29.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostSorry that one totally slipped my mind!
It's ambiguous whether Paul is being anti-gay in that verse. I heard a good argument recently (from a gay Christian) that he's really criticising their wanton lustfulness and easy sex... "they were so depraved they even did it with people of the same sex".
I don't get the impression Paul was cool with homosexuality.The material prosperity of a nation is not an abiding possession; the deeds of its people are.
George Frederic Watts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postman's_ParkComment
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From one verse?
I don't imagine he was either but that's because I agree with biblical teachings on marriage and expect Paul would too, rather than because he explicitly talks about it. It might not be a subject that he really had an opinion on, being a bit busy organising the churchOriginally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostFrom one verse?
I don't imagine he was either but that's because I agree with biblical teachings on marriage and expect Paul would too, rather than because he explicitly talks about it. It might not be a subject that he really had an opinion on, being a bit busy organising the churchThe material prosperity of a nation is not an abiding possession; the deeds of its people are.
George Frederic Watts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postman's_ParkComment
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So what? He never talked about murder either. I'm not sure he even told people not to commit adultery. He didn't feel the need to start from scratch with what was or wasn't right, because the Old Testament was already written.
His jobs were to teach the new bits, and to die.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostSo what? He never talked about murder either. I'm not sure he even told people not to commit adultery. He didn't feel the need to start from scratch with what was or wasn't right, because the Old Testament was already written.
His jobs were to teach the new bits, and to die.
Also, what are these biblical teachings on marriage?The material prosperity of a nation is not an abiding possession; the deeds of its people are.
George Frederic Watts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postman's_ParkComment
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Originally posted by speling bee View PostThere is a tone. Judge not etc.
In the famous "who is without sin cast the first stone" incident, Jesus does not in anyway say the woman hasn't sinned.
Also, what are these biblical teachings on marriage?
Deut 24:5
Mat 19:4
1 Cor 7:1 (this is by Paul)
Heb 13:4
Mark 10:6
You should be able to type those directly into biblegateway.com or even directly into Google.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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