Is outsourcing the cause of RBS debacle?

[jmo21]

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I have learned to laugh. The number of bob related comedy ****ups I am currently witnessing is absolutely staggering. Everyone can see it. It's the elephant in the room. I just make sure I document everything. I have even advised the pm to keep a project diary to record significant events.

If a company hires unskilled, incompetent people and them charges them out at £1000 per day, and gets away with it time and time again, then this is impressive in a perverse way. The joke of it is it's some business studies grad who's slimed his way into a position of power and makes decisions based on counting beans, and solely on that basis. When said director gets tulipcanned they just schmooze their way into the next high powered gig, which again in a perverse way is impressive.

I for one am curious if I can learn a trick or two from these koonts while papering over my own arse and letting them carry the can?

Well said. This sums up exactly what I think of it all. Bloody management!

[Robinho]

Create policies that would encourage local employment - particularly in SMEs because they will wield a lot less lobbying power.

What and give UK businesses a competitive disadvantage because they have to employ more expensive contractors?

[AtW]

What and give UK businesses a competitive disadvantage because they have to employ more expensive contractors?

It's not a UK business if it does not mainly employ local workforce.

[Robinho]

It's not a UK business if it does not mainly employ local workforce.

This is factually incorrect. If it is registered in the UK then it is a UK business.

[mudskipper]

Create policies that would encourage local employment - particularly in SMEs because they will wield a lot less lobbying power.

How about making a company pay a tax equivalent to keeping a family of four on benefits every time they sponsor a Tier 2 - effectively that is a job a local person won't have. If a company really needed the specialist skills of an foreign worker, it would still be possible, but would prevent it being used simply as a way of cost cutting (which often exploits the actual worker as well).

[AtW]

This is factually incorrect. If it is registered in the UK then it is a UK business.

It's a UK registered company, but it's not a UK business.

Read this - Flag of convenience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Same thing applies to businesses.

[AtW]

How about making a company pay a tax equivalent to keeping a family of four on benefits every time they sponsor a Tier 2 - effectively that is a job a local person won't have. If a company really needed the specialist skills of an foreign worker, it would still be possible, but would prevent it being used simply as a way of cost cutting (which often exploits the actual worker as well).

I think something like this would be reasonable - people who get work permits should be expected to paid highly in the first place (so min salary of at least £50k+), plus tax on top for training local work force etc.

Doing this would of course on one hand destroy intra-transfer scam, and also deplete party donations from those businesses that depend on it: both good things if you ask me!

[Robinho]

It's a UK registered company, but it's not a UK business.

Read this - Flag of convenience - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Same thing applies to businesses.

What so if a company is situation, registered and serving people of the UK it's not a UK business? Feels as if you haven't got a relevant point to make.

[AtW]

What so if a company is situation, registered and serving people of the UK it's not a UK business?

If this company is a subsidiary of a much larger company based outside of UK then it's not a UK business - it's just registered for convenience subsidiary.

Say Google has got fairly large presense in UK, they employ thousands of people, but do you really think it's a UK business? Relatively to their main operations in USA it's nothing, so it's a US business with UK presence.

[Robinho]

What's your point though? It's still being productive in the UK.