Lazy, useless team members: What to do?

[DodgyAgent]

But it's not all about the money.

There is also the undeniable good feeling of having done a good job and delivered something tanglible.

I don't want to earn good money for keeping my chair warm. I want to earn it for doing a good job.

Become an agent

[Old Greg]

Become an agent

Now now. You know these geeks lack the requisite charm and integrity.

[Diver]

Where did I say I have a poor work ethic? I don't I work hard and deliver quality, what I don't do is grass fellow contractors up, which makes me 10000x time better than little grasses like you and the OP.

Change of tack! - What you said was;

Some contractors need to take a role out of there skillset to keep the gravy train running

and you honesty think that this is Good work ethic!

For your information it is Not, it is gaining moneys by deception, it is against the law and certainly makes you 10000x times worse me and the OP.

Give it up russel, you have shown your true colours already so stop trying to backpedal

[Diver]

Never, but I have seen twats like the OP, i.e. two faced rats, and it's usually an inferiority complex that drives them to point out fellow contractors shortcomings.

As I'm in project management and a consultant, and have been for many years, why would I have an inferiority complex

Your vehement defense of "contractors shortcomings" gives some indication as to your complex

[russell]

Change of tack! - What you said was;



and you honesty think that this is Good work ethic!

For your information it is Not, it is gaining moneys by deception, it is against the law and certainly makes you 10000x times worse me and the OP.

Give it up russel, you have shown your true colours already so stop trying to backpedal

I said that about other contractors, not me, I have never had to take a role outside my skillset. Anyway you post on here most of the day so unless your client is CUK then I think your work ethic is suspect. You should get back to work, your line managers anus won't lick itself.

[Diver]

I said that about other contractors, not me, I have never had to take a role outside my skillset. Anyway you post on here most of the day so unless your client is CUK then I think your work ethic is suspect. You should get back to work, your line managers anus won't lick itself.

Day off

and the line managers work under me, I'm a senior project manager and get paid more for what I know than what I do

You really are a foul mouthed bad mannered child arent you

I'm sorry, I have great difficulty taking you seriously

[eek]

Day off

and the line managers work under me, I'm a senior project manager and get paid more for what I know than what I do

You really are a foul mouthed bad mannered child arent you

I'm sorry, I have great difficulty taking you seriously

You're not the only one with that difficulty.

Personally I live and let live because you never know why someone is there.

[Durbs]

I had to make that call once but in that instance it was a fairly simple decision as the guy was basically incompetent. Someone like that brings the team down and, as a contractor, its your job to deliver for your client and anything that affects that delivery, they should know about.

This guy managed 2 reported quality incidents within the space of 2 days, both committing stored proc changes to a production database rather than development. We all do that once, but to do the same fcking thing the next day??? Rubbish, unbuildable code was constantly committed to the repository meaning all the other team members had to work sorting out his mess and we simply couldn't trust anything did. He also took the piss 'working from home'.

We had a few words about it but he didn't seem bothered and nothing changed so in the end had to do the dirty and have a word with the permie management. Seems they were well aware there were problems with this guy already and he was called into a meeting and signed his own death warrant by becoming aggressive with the manager lady.

Worked out well because he was binned immediately and his replacement (a CUK'er actually) was a top notch developer.

So if he's not a mate, not good at his job and making the team inefficient (and therefore making YOU look bad) then I dont see a problem with it. Cover your own arse.

[Mich the Tester]

I need advice from the seasoned hard-asses on this board.

Currently working as a team of 4 contractors, 3 of us are clearly experts in our field and spend all day in busy, in depth conversations and activities creating the solution. We lead meetings with the permies and are worth every penny. The fourth does bugger all, his minimal skills, has clearly BS'd his CV to get there, has produced one diagram in 6 weeks and could be replaced by a cardboard cutout without any impact to the project.

Do we:
a) Point out his uselessness to the Clientco and get rid of him?
b) Point out his uselessness to the Clientco and get rid of him and offer to do his work for an increase in our rate?
c) Leave it to the permies to work it out for themselves, if they ever do?
d) Live and let live, it's not our problem, although it is sort of because i have to do his work for him.

What's the best path in this situation oh wise ones?

Leave me alone. I haven't done anything to hurt you and I'm just trying to make a living. If you really want, I'll go and sit in another room if you like; just send me an e-mail once a day and I'll fetch the coffee, but stop victimising me like this.

[russell]

Day off

and the line managers work under me, I'm a senior project manager and get paid more for what I know than what I do

You really are a foul mouthed bad mannered child arent you

I'm sorry, I have great difficulty taking you seriously

God, a project manager, it all makes sense now, now the little respect I had for you has completely gone. Project management shouldn't be a separate job, it's something a senior engineer or tester could do 1 hour a week. I mean all you need to be able to do is use excel and set up meetings in oulook.