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More than 2,000 'off payroll' civil servants face tax probe

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    #21
    Am i missing something? Surely if you "legally avoid" something, you've done nothing wrong, so how can you be punished for it? I know Im not a solicitor, but even thick fairly young me can see that you could easily build a defence / arguement around this...
    I didn't say it was your ******* fault, I said I was blaming you!

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      #22
      Originally posted by scooby View Post
      Am i missing something? Surely if you "legally avoid" something, you've done nothing wrong, so how can you be punished for it? I know Im not a solicitor, but even thick fairly young me can see that you could easily build a defence / arguement around this...
      Because you are using loopholes and not adhering to the spirit of the rule. The fact it isn't illegal (yet) doesn't mean it is right.
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        #23
        Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
        Because you are using loopholes and not adhering to the spirit of the rule. The fact it isn't illegal (yet) doesn't mean it is right.
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          #24
          Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
          Because you are using loopholes and not adhering to the spirit of the rule. The fact it isn't illegal (yet) doesn't mean it is right.
          Also doesnt mean that it is wrong... Do they play to the spirit of the rule all the time?
          I didn't say it was your ******* fault, I said I was blaming you!

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            #25
            Originally posted by scooby View Post
            Also doesnt mean that it is wrong... Do they play to the spirit of the rule all the time?
            They've got far more resources than you, this means you can be squashed like a bug.

            HTH

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              #26
              Originally posted by AtW View Post
              They've got far more resources than you, this means you can be squashed like a bug.

              HTH
              Exactly! Fair is only fair when every player plays the same way...
              I didn't say it was your ******* fault, I said I was blaming you!

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                #27
                Originally posted by scooby View Post
                Am i missing something? Surely if you "legally avoid" something, you've done nothing wrong, so how can you be punished for it? I know Im not a solicitor, but even thick fairly young me can see that you could easily build a defence / arguement around this...
                If you're head of a council or some other civil servant, you should be caught by IR35 according to every indicator in the book. Even more so if you look at the new "tests" that HMRC has just published. What's sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander.

                If Hector decides that there is "nothing to see here" I'll be utterly appalled. PCG or somesuch should file for judicial review to look at why these people get off and "nasty" IT contractors are targeted.

                This makes my blood boil.

                Yours,

                Mr. Angry, Purley.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by scooby View Post
                  Exactly! Fair is only fair when every player plays the same way...
                  Did you miss the part where you get squashed like a bug?

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by AtW View Post
                    Did you miss the part where you get squashed like a bug?
                    Sorry, I didnt read between the lines!
                    I didn't say it was your ******* fault, I said I was blaming you!

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                      #30
                      I wonder what the civil service union makes of all this, especially the one (whose name escapes me) for higher echelon public servants.

                      Ambivalent probably, but they have been complaining bitterly about pension cuts and job cuts in the civil service, and one thing about contractors is that their clients needn't worry about paying them a pension or other benefits and nor do they have "job" security.

                      On that basis it sounds like ministers and top civil servants are being greedy and thick, the classic combination as usual, wanting to have their cake and eat it, by hiring contractors for the flexibility but now demanding these be taxed like permies.

                      I'm sure it'll come back to bite them, and hardly seems worth all the fuss for the paltry sums HMR&C will gain.
                      Work in the public sector? Read the IR35 FAQ here

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