Vegan

[russell]

Veganism may make you live longer*, but after a while you'll wish it didn't. I know you're an expert on ignorat (sic) morons.

*It doesn't.

You are a clueless moron, bet you were one of the last to admit smoking was bad.
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[doodab]

You are a clueless moron, bet you were one of the last to admit smoking was bad.

A large study conducted by a group of doctors from the Harvard School of Public Health, who worked under the guidance of Doctor of Medicine An Pan, revealed that fears of vegetarians are absolutely justified. Consumption of red meat is clearly correlated with a higher risk of death from cardiovascular disease, certain cancers and metabolic diseases, while the replacement of meat from mammals with fish and poultry greatly reduces this risk.

The findings are published in the Archives of Internal Medicine – the journal of the American Medical Association.

In the analysis of long-term effects on meat diet, An Pan and his colleagues relied on a statistical study of an impressive scale. A total of 37,698 men and 83,644 women participated in the study. Their health, along with the diet, was tracked for 28 years in the second group, and for 22 years in the first group. During this time, 23,926 deaths were recorded in the two groups surveyed, of which 5,910 – from cardiovascular disease and 9,464 – from cancer.

“We found that higher consumption of red meat is associated with a significant increase in mortality from these diseases, and this relationship can be traced in the case of pre-processed and freshly prepared meats, with higher correlations for the pre-processed. When replacing red meat with fish, vegetables and poultry, there was an inverse relationship – reduced mortality,” the authors commented on the results of the study.

The study revealed that in total life expectancy falls by 13% in case of daily consumption of freshly prepared meat the size of a palm, and a whopping 20% of the daily consumption of portions of pre-processed meats – a hot dog or two strips of bacon. For the disease that became the cause of death in both groups, the dependence of risks from the consumption of red meat was as follows: the risk of cardiovascular disease increased by 18% and 21% for fresh and processed meat, respectively, and cancer – by 10% and 16%.

These numbers can be considered statistically neutral, that is, free from those observed during the variables such as age, body mass index, physical activity and family history of cardiovascular disease and cancer. It is also important that all the observed members of the group were physically healthy at the start of the study.

You'll notice it says fish and poultry there, not lentils. Studies actually show that cutting out red meat but eating fish and/or dairy products is somewhat more beneficial than veganism when it comes to heart disease.

Further categorization of diets showed that, in comparison with regular meat eaters, mortality from ischemic heart disease was 20% lower in occasional meat eaters, 34% lower in people who ate fish but not meat, 34% lower in lactoovovegetarians, and 26% lower in vegans.

Mortality in vegetarians and nonvegetarians: ... [Am J Clin Nutr. 1999] - PubMed - NCBI

[EternalOptimist]

I had a quick look at that study.
In America, apparently, they class bacon as processed red meat, and hamburgers as unprocessed red meat.

Russell, most people know the difference between a correllation and a causal effect. One of the very definitions of an ignoramus is someone who confuses these two concepts.

It's an interesting study, with a few dodgy premises, that produces some correlations. Nothing even close to making me reconsider my lifestyle

[SimonMac]

If god didn't want us to eat animals he wouldn't have made them out of meat, oh and existed!

[russell]

You'll notice it says fish and poultry there, not lentils. Studies actually show that cutting out red meat but eating fish and/or dairy products is somewhat more beneficial than veganism when it comes to heart disease.



Mortality in vegetarians and nonvegetarians: ... [Am J Clin Nutr. 1999] - PubMed - NCBI

Yeah interesting, but being a vegan is more than just the health benefits, it's just one good side effect.

[SimonMac]

Vegan's don't live longer, it only seems like they do as its so boring

[wobbegong]

Yeah interesting, but being a vegan is more than just the health benefits, it's just one good side effect.

Go on . . . .

[SupremeSpod]

Yeah interesting, but being a vegan is more than just the health benefits, it's just one good side effect.

Btw, you're not getting stick for being a "vegan", you're getting stick because you can't seem to live your life without announcing your decisions to a random group of ne'er-do-wells on an internet forum.

Hth.

Also, dead animals taste good.

[d000hg]

There are many studies, here is one Vegetarians less likely to develop cancer than meat eaters, says study | Science | The Guardian

...conveniently avoiding the bit that says '• Scientists acknowledge more research still needed'

And the fact that saying "more chance of cancer" isn't particularly meaningful.

Enjoy your steak, and enjoy the heart disease you will no doubt develop, like the majority of meat eaters.

The average life expectancy is what, 80? And the vast majority of us eat meat. So saying eating meat causes heart disease in your 80s is a bit like telling your 89-year old grandfather how he's dying due to smoking.

most meat is just reprocessed grass anyway. Russell likes his grass raw, I like mine to have enjoyed frolickimg in a field for a few years

Like that coffee from cat's bums?

[russell]

Go on . . . .

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