Fast lane hoggers

[Old Hack]

If you're driving at 70 mph you have to keep a safe distance of 70 feet. Per definition the Motorway would be full but not congested. Congestion means you all have to drive slowly,bumper to bumper ro at the most 20 or 30 mph.

I think you wouldn't have much luck contesting your fine.

So thats a legal definition is it Blaster? Or is that a subjective opinion. I saw something clearly defined in the Highway Code, something the police use in a court of law.

Congestion can move smoothly at 70 mph, and does regularly. Regularly I see lanes moving quicker on the inside, and undetook this morning, at 60 mph. It happens all the time. You can obfuscate, complain, but you'll still be wrong.

The issue arises when you chop and change lanes.

[SupremeSpod]

So thats a legal definition is it Blaster? Or is that a subjective opinion. I saw something clearly defined in the Highway Code, something the police use in a court of law.

Congestion can move smoothly at 70 mph, and does regularly. Regularly I see lanes moving quicker on the inside, and undetook this morning, at 60 mph. It happens all the time. You can obfuscate, complain, but you'll still be wrong.

The issue arises when you chop and change lanes.

Wrong.

When 19 I was at traffic lights on a dual carriageway in my recently bought Porsche.

While stopped at traffic lights a police van pulled alongside and while I waited for the lights the passenger in the Police van looked at my car and mouthed "Very nce!". I said "Thank you" and as the lights changed to green drove smoothly away. Although the Police van matched my speed (30 mph in that area) he was slightly behind but still in the right hand lane.

The Police indicated to move into the same lane as myself. And this is where I made a mistake. I accelerated slightly to give the van some room. They promptly put on their blues and twos and pulled me over.

What was the charge?

Undertaking.

[Old Hack]

Wrong.

When 19 I was at traffic lights on a dual carriageway in my recently bought Porsche.

While stopped at traffic lights a police van pulled alongside and while I waited for the lights the passenger in the Police van looked at my car and mouthed "Very nce!". I said "Thank you" and as the lights changed to green drove smoothly away. Although the Police van matched my speed (30 mph in that area) he was slightly behind but still in the right hand lane.

The Police indicated to move into the same lane as myself. And this is where I made a mistake. I accelerated slightly to give the van some room. They promptly put on their blues and twos and pulled me over.

What was the charge?

Undertaking.

So, no congestion then?

Where is that fuqwit?

[BlasterBates]

Absolutely

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I think in this case Old Codger in the outside lane and and road hog driving past on the inside lane, would clearly be inconsiderate or careless drving with a fine of £80, which was the original scenario.
The reason why it is inconsiderate is because it is unexpected, and the "old codger" might be shocked and lose control of his car, as a woman did in Germany a couple of years ago, when an inconsiderate driving came charging up behind her.

But SupremeSpod's example just demonstrates how intolerant the "fuzz" are of undertaking.

[Old Hack]

Highway code 242:

242. Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.

Wrong.

When 19 I was at traffic lights on a dual carriageway in my recently bought Porsche.

While stopped at traffic lights a police van pulled alongside and while I waited for the lights the passenger in the Police van looked at my car and mouthed "Very nce!". I said "Thank you" and as the lights changed to green drove smoothly away. Although the Police van matched my speed (30 mph in that area) he was slightly behind but still in the right hand lane.

The Police indicated to move into the same lane as myself. And this is where I made a mistake. I accelerated slightly to give the van some room. They promptly put on their blues and twos and pulled me over.

What was the charge?

Undertaking.

So, it's legal, in congestion, as I have already stated.

[SupremeSpod]

So, it's legal, in congestion, as I have already stated.

Read my post again.

Btw, there was just my car and the Police van at the lights, no other traffic.

The copper stopped me because I gave him an excuse.

[Diver]

I often tow my caravan at 60mph in the outside lane on 2 lane motorways.

and 50mph in the outside lane on 2 lane dual carriageways.

preferably alongside a heavy goods vehicle or another caravan.

For miles & miles & miles & miles

[Old Hack]

Absolutely

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I think in this case Old Codger in the outside lane and and road hog driving past on the inside lane, would clearly be inconsiderate or careless drving with a fine of £80.

What are you on about? If there are two cars on the road, and one undertakes, he's breaking the law. If there is congestion on the road and the lane on the inside moves quicker than the outside one, meaning the cars in lane 1 are undertaking cars in lane 2, then it isn't illegal.

It really isn't rocket science.

[Old Hack]

Read my post again.

Btw, there was just my car and the Police van at the lights, no other traffic.

The copper stopped me because I gave him an excuse.

Exactly, which I refer to in my post; as there was just the two of you, and no congestion, if you are moving faster in the inside lane, it is undertaking. You have gone from the inside lane, in front of him.

Technically you are bang to rights. However, I would suggest the police were being what a lot of police are, and thats twats.

As far as I can tell, from your own words, you were in the inside lane, and accelerated above the speed limit.

[BlasterBates]

What are you on about? If there are two cars on the road, and one undertakes, he's breaking the law. If there is congestion on the road and the lane on the inside moves quicker than the outside one, meaning the cars in lane 1 are undertaking cars in lane 2, then it isn't illegal.

It really isn't rocket science.

That is what the discussion was about. What do you do when someone hogs the outside lane. Well if you undertake it's an £80 fine. End of story.