Public sector strike makes headlines at the Beeb. World plus dog unconcerned

[DodgyAgent]

I think that a lot of the waste and poor feeling is down to the fact that sucessive governments of whichever flavour constantly introduce reforms, which break more than They fix, without consultation from the experts who do the job who passionately care, whilst increasing the administrative burden. Then the next govt comes in, blames the administrative burden, and introduces reforms which create a new admin burden just as everyone adapted to the last one, repeat until totally demoralised.

o

A sensible analysis of the public sector

[fullyautomatix]

Yeah sure, I tell you what - why dont you go out and police in one of our cities for less than 23k a year..... Would you wear a stab jacket for less than that?

Or how about working in the prison service at your pay increase LESS than inflation ...

Greedy yeah... thats exactly what I think when people take socially responsible jobs for that money... oh and us contractors at daily rates bigger than their weekly, we're not greedy at all are we..

Seriously, that grinds my gears BIG TIME.

Nobody held a gun to their head and forced them to do it. It was a job that they chose to apply for fully knowing what the job enttitles. If they are too much of a pussy to police the streets they should go and apply to the local council as outreach officer or something. Point is, the public sector workers are just too unskilled to actually get into private sector, or else they would have dumped their job ages ago instead of going on strikes.

[wim121]

LOL - How incentivised to work would you be at 25k or less?

seriously, think about what you are saying.

Christ almighty, some of these comments flabbergast me..

lefty liberals are we , for wanting to reward those that put their lives and necks on the line.

My best mate is a paramedic, he gets attacked every single weekend - EVERY SINGLE one - he gets paid less than you earn in a day in a week.

All these people want is to know that they'll be looked after by the state and the taxpayer in return for looking after us all this time.

Some people would like to see this all privatised and we'll end up living in a bloody hell hole. Businesses dont give 10 hoots about efficiency, they care about profit, and when it comes to things that are supposed to be available to the public FREE AT POINT OF USE, you have a hard time making a profit...

Thats fine for you that represent a mere 10% of the populace, you can buy your own private healthcare / police etc can't you - whats the rest of the populace supposed to do, live like Escape from New York or something...

I'm going before I bust a nerd rage blood vessel. Valium 12 oclock please.

Remember, most of the UK and occupations arent highly skilled like higher IT jobs (such as programming or developing), or trades such as mechanics, carpenters, electricians, plumbers and builders. Most people are on under £25k.

Most people working in ordinary offices, normal IT support roles, physical jobs, etc etc, are all on far lower pay than public sector workers. Around these parts, IT technician/engineer permanent roles range from £12k-£20K, the ones higher paid than that are specialised roles that are usually contracted out and are in the minority.

However in the same area, police jobs start at £16k, firefighters start at £18k, etc etc. They are very well paid and should be damn thankful for what they get, as that wage outside of major cities and home counties, will afford you a comfortable lifestyle.

I would agree with you on paramedic violence. They are often quite nice unlike modern nurses and dont deserve the stick they get. However they must accept they are entering hostile situations, where people quite rightly have issues with the police, so any blue flashing lights, anyone standing beside a police officer, gets similar treatment.

However I disagree with you on public sector workers. Many people in the private sector get paid less and have far worse conditions of employment than the public sector. We don't all get up and strike whenever we feel hard done by, because we know we would be replaced.

The public sector workers need to grow up and fast. To teach them a lesson, all of the strikers should lose their jobs and be replaced by people who would love those wages.

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P.S. Has anyone noticed?

Can't say I did, what a non event.

Nope. I'm more concerned about keeping a toilet within a 5 second sprinting distance right now!

Do you need some extra strength loperamide? I have tonnes of them.

[wim121]

Nobody held a gun to their head and forced them to do it. It was a job that they chose to apply for fully knowing what the job enttitles. If they are too much of a pussy to police the streets they should go and apply to the local council as outreach officer or something. Point is, the public sector workers are just too unskilled to actually get into private sector, or else they would have dumped their job ages ago instead of going on strikes.

One of the rare occasions I find myself agreeing completely with you.

Everyone knows how people feel about the police for example. So to then join up to the force and then cry and lose your temper when someone calls you a pig is just being an ultimate pussy as you said. God forbid they could learn another skill instead of beating up people like overgrown bullies. Police officers dont join to help communities or patrol the streets, they join because they were bullied themselves at a young age and now want to legally bully other people, without getting sparked out by picking a fight with the wrong person.

Then they wonder why society in general has so little respect for them and why generations have grown up having little respect for law and order littering our streets with chavs? I appreciate other factors like paperwork and not being able to clip someones ear makes it harder nowadays for officers, but you earn respect. You earn respect as an officer by not beating an overwhelmed and already subdued detainee, you earn respect by following the law yourself instead of officers who think it is acceptable to flout the law.

They really are scum. The only people lower than them are traffic wardens perhaps.

[SupremeSpod]

I think that a lot of the waste and poor feeling is down to the fact that sucessive governments of whichever flavour constantly introduce reforms, which break more than They fix, without consultation from the experts who do the job who passionately care, whilst increasing the administrative burden. Then the next govt comes in, blames the administrative burden, and introduces reforms which create a new admin burden just as everyone adapted to the last one, repeat until totally demoralised.

o

Numerous Governments have tried to reform the public sector and ensure that we get value for money from the taxes we pay.

All have failed. The public sector is too big, unwieldy and inefficient. It needs someone with a very large axe!

With regards to Policing in the UK, we get the Police Force we deserve.

[Alf W]

How deeply patronising of you to cite "occasional" anecdotes of performance as if they are representative of the public sector as a whole. What a lie people like you create. How is it people like you exploit the excellence of the few to justify the existence of the many? Your left wing agenda twists and turns the reality of what actually goes on in order to feed your prejudices and insecurities which in this case are focussed against people who are basically more successful than you.


So you now tell me what percentage of public service workers commit themselves to these levels of devotion and performance. Are You telling me that in the National Audit office in Victoria that all 2000 of the workers who arrive in their office at 10.00 am and leave to go home at 4.00 pm with their guaranteed pensions are "saving lives, putting their "necks on the line" at great personal sacrifice and working their arses off and therefore somehow deserve special treatment?????

No! just because a tiny minority are committed and perform beyond the levels asked of them you seem to think that we therefore owe the rest of them a living.

The anecdotal examples of excellence that you describe should be standard levels of performance amongst ALL public sector workers

It's equally easy to tar all Public Sector workers as 'lazy workshy slackers'.

You ought to ask yourself who the majority of people would rescue from a fire if they had to. Paramedic or Telesales Recruitment Consultant?. In fact, you might even ask yourself who people would throw back in.

Sorry if you think I'm bullying you again.